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To: stand watie

OK, I’m confused. I see on the map that in 1986 Oklahoma was a “No issue” state. I moved to Oklahoma five years ago, so I’m not a native, but I know for a fact that people in rural Oklahoma where I am were buying, carrying and using guns in 1986, and had been for many generations! A gun is almost essential here for protection against wild dogs, snakes, etc....., and for use on farms and ranches. It seems as if the same must have been true for, at the very least, Texas. Can someone explain?


31 posted on 05/18/2008 8:36:03 PM PDT by PinkChampagneonIce
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To: PinkChampagneonIce

I think I just answered my own questions by (duh) reading more carefully! If I understand correctly, this relates to whether one can carry a concealed weapon on land other than their own. Perhaps if you were carrying a gun in a vehicle it had to be where it could be seen — like in a gun rack?


32 posted on 05/18/2008 8:40:30 PM PDT by PinkChampagneonIce
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To: PinkChampagneonIce

In Texas, it has been illegal to carry a handgun on your person since reconstruction, unless you were traveling. Where “traveling” was not defined in law.

In practice, if you were an upstanding white citizen, “traveling” meant you were off your own property. If you wer black, “traveling” meant you were out of state.

The law was written with the intention of being unequally enforced, and it was. Starting in the 1960s, it began to be enforced against whites as well as blacks.


33 posted on 05/19/2008 4:53:43 AM PDT by jdege
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To: PinkChampagneonIce
YEP i can. (fwiw, i've been a LEO in both states.)

in BOTH Texas & Oklahoma you MAY carry without license (either concealed or unconcealed) on ANY property that you OWN,RENT, LEASE, MANAGE or have CUSTODY of. this has been interpreted to mean that you could also carry BETWEEN those properties AND "when traveling"/hunting/fishing/etc.

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37 posted on 05/19/2008 8:53:35 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to TYRANTS is OBEDIENCE to God. T. Jefferson, 1804)
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