John McCain, a Not So Favorable Retrospective (Heavy Graphics)

My own thoughts... | DoughtyOne

[DoughtyOne]

Thanks Randy.

[AuntB]

My, haven’t you been busy. lol

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....well, at least he’s consistent.....

[M203M4]

Bad behavior should not be rewarded - that is how the behavior gets reinforced and eventually becomes institutionalized. People basing their vote on the ‘lesser evil’ principle are essentially giving a signal that they have no absolute standard (only a relative one), and the party will take that and run to the left with it without any fear.

And the reality is that there will ALWAYS be an absolutely horrible Marxist anti-American sack of wet turds running on the Democratic ticket, and these candidates will get worse every year. You can bank on it. The excuse, “I would vote for a third party this time around just to protest how bad McCain is, but the Democrat candidates are HORRIBLE,” could be uttered in every future contest. Does anyone think the rats will ever nominate someone sane and pro-America?

So long as the Republicans have any success in running someone marginally better than the Democrat candidates, they will follow the rats left to tap the soggy middle. At some point, conservatives (even if only 10% of the population) have to take a stand and make it clear that their votes are not welfare entitlements of the Republican party - the candidates must be shown that they will need to WORK for the votes, and that perpetual leftward drift will result in the loss of enough votes on the right to throw the election.

If McCain indeed said he wishes to continue as POTUS and run in 2012 in the event he wins this November, then 2008 would be a good year to send a message, regardless of the Obamanation (because that Democrat garbage ain’t going to get any better). He’d need to pick a stalwart VP like Hunter, Tancredo, or Sanford and pledge to step down in 2012 in order to make his ticket BARELY palatable. Barely.

[dragnet2]

Please vote for McCain....Think of the party! Screw principles, screw conservatism....Think of the party!

[LifeOrGoods?]

Obama = Conservative opposition, growth for Conservatism McCain = No Conservative opposition, destruction of the network that Conservatism grows on...

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard buddy. The conservative movement grows when the GOP wins. Using your logic, we should just lose every election from now until the Second Coming Of Ronald Reagan. You're going to be waiting a long time on that one.

[AmericanInTokyo]

Brilliant, D.O. And humorous to boot.

If anything, this thread and those graphics will bait the McCainiacs [from "Pray For" and "Daily Dose" threads perhaps] to come out of their hovels and toss a few javelins in your direction, but we will then know them for whom they are! LOL!

[DoughtyOne]

I’m not asking anyone to vote for Obama or Clinton. I don’t want anyone’s concience to pay for what Obama might do.

Look, I’m not responsible when I don’t cast a vote. I am responsible if I do. It’s not my problem if the RP couldn’t get it’s program together this year. And they damn well better do a better job in 2012, if they want my support then.

I don’t want to see Conservatism split, half support John no matter what he does, and the other half unable to get anyone to listen.

If Obama is in there, every single Republican Senator and Congressman will listen. They may not agree, but they won’t be motivated not to take action because they wan’t access to the White House or quid pro quo.

[LifeOrGoods?]

Please vote for McCain....Think of the party! Screw principles, screw conservatism....Think of the party!

Wow, straw men are raining from the skies now! Amazing!

[DoughtyOne]

I agree.

[AmericanInTokyo]

8 years of Bush RINO-ism and the Party (GOP) as well as not a few conservative GOP leaders, to refuse to stop him, is proof enough that with McLame, we will get the same with a Trojan Horse from "OUR SIDE" in office doing the same damned things the Democrats would do, which we would unite over and oppose.

[exit82]

God bless you for putting the work into doing this.

No one can say they weren’t warned.

I’m sure the McStupid Stockholm Syndrome Sisters will be out in force to try to rebut you.

But, in their heart, they know...you’re right.

[Bull Market]

“If Obama wins, we abandon our commitment to Iraq.”

If McCain wins, the same thing as well. You can consider it a lost cause if Bush’s team isn’t able to wrap it up by January. McCain will negotiate a timetable with his senate democrat buddies just as he always has. He has already demonstrated his lack of will to conduct war.

[LifeOrGoods?]

You're trying to explain things logically to him. The problem here is McLame has created the biggest sin in his mind and that is being a RINO. To this guy, a RINO is more harmful to America than say Adolf Hitler or Satan himself even. This guy lives in a dream world where all Republicans are perfect little manifestations of Ronald Reagan and no one every get their noses bloodied in order to see a bigger picture. There is nothing left for these people but ridicule. But try if you must, you will soon find my advice to be chillingly accurate.

[HAL9000]

Please vote for McCain....Think of the party! Screw principles, screw conservatism....Think of the party!

The point is to prevent the worst possible outcomes - President Obama or President Rodham - and go with the best viable alternative instead.

So who are you voting for?

[Lijahsbubbe]

McCain won’t win anyway. Obama will trounce McCain. People will come out in droves to vote for Obama. Just like they did in the primaries. It’s something new and different. People are excited.

And John McCain cannot compete with that. Not to mention that he doesn’t have alot of support with conservatives.

People did the same thing with Jesse Ventura (Minnesota). I couldn’t believe how excited they got about that bonehead. Everyone should have known what a dolt he was, but they thought it was so cool - a former wrestler as governor. Gah!!!

[Neverforget01]

What happens when John closes Gitmo, grants terrorists Geneva Convention status, outlaws water boarding and grants terrorists access to our courts?

You of course realize all of this happens with Obama as Commander -in-Chief?

In fact, Obama plans to pull the troops guaranteeing all the sacrifices made in battling Al-Qaeda will have been in vain.

Obama has already said he will not listen to the generals in Iraq. Obama is more dangerous to our nation's security than Achmadinejad.

Don't force our troops to surrender when they've come so far.

[LifeOrGoods?]

If McCain wins, the same thing as well. You can consider it a lost cause if Bush’s team isn’t able to wrap it up by January. McCain will negotiate a timetable with his senate democrat buddies just as he always has. He has already demonstrated his lack of will to conduct war.

We're a bit delusional now aren't we? McLame has no political reason to do this.

[DoughtyOne]

I'm trying to understand. And I appreciate that. May I assume that you are not proposing to literally "vote for Obama", but rather, "let Obama win"? Yes, I would never urge someone to vote for the likes of Obama or Clinton. Perhaps we can agree that the other 414 candidates are irrelevant. I want folks to vote for as many Conservatives as they can.  I want them out there fighting for them.

We can also agree that Obama would face the most resistance in Congress - at first. I don't make that case at all. The case that I do make is that with Obama, the RNC, Senate and House Republicans, State Republican leadership, and the Republican and Conservative rank and file are unified against him.  With McCain they are not unified, even against some pretty ripe legislation. John would essentially get a pass on all but the most extreme legislation.  Even then we would be splintered in our opposition, and be calling on deaf ears more often than not in Congress. But President Obama would be in a position to influence congressional elections, and get representatives more in-line with his thinking. Look, there's no doubt this could be the case. But if you think as I do, that Obama would out himself in ways that would offend a great deal of Americans, the actual outcome would likely be a landslide for Conservatism in 2010.  After eight years of President Obama, and a few election cycles, who knows what Congress will be like? Their resistance could fade. I believe that is a valid question, one that I can not definitively answer.  None the less, I do think we stand a better chance of retaking Congress under Obama.  Even if we did retake it under McCain, would it actually be moving to the right?  I don't think so.  We'd be looking at more Snows McCains and Spectors.  The same dynamic you worry about with Obama, would play out for McCain.  And I continue to say, that more damage can be done to our side by a leftist at the top, than can be done by a leftist at the top of the Democrat's ticket.  Who on our side is going to run on a Conservative platform if McCain has won as a leftist, and the RNC supports him because he is their figurehead?

And what sort of Command-in-Chief would Obama be compared to McCain? If Obama wins, we abandon our commitment to Iraq. This is the fatal flaw of any "let Obama win" concept.

I would suggest you read my reply here, and see if it makes any sense to you.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2014646/posts?page=60#60

[AuntB]

“The conservative movement grows when the GOP wins.”

The last decade proves you wrong on that. Look how the party platform has gone left in that time. Really. Look. The GOP congressional leadership had to resign for their not so socially conservative life styles. (newt, livingston) Remember? That really helped, didn’t it? And sometimes the Gop runs a Dole or McCain, and they lose. Count on it.

[Bull Market]

He has no political reason to end an unpopular war and make his friends happy? Are you mad?