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To: HAL9000
I'm trying to understand. And I appreciate that. May I assume that you are not proposing to literally "vote for Obama", but rather, "let Obama win"? Yes, I would never urge someone to vote for the likes of Obama or Clinton. Perhaps we can agree that the other 414 candidates are irrelevant. I want folks to vote for as many Conservatives as they can.  I want them out there fighting for them.

We can also agree that Obama would face the most resistance in Congress - at first. I don't make that case at all. The case that I do make is that with Obama, the RNC, Senate and House Republicans, State Republican leadership, and the Republican and Conservative rank and file are unified against him.  With McCain they are not unified, even against some pretty ripe legislation. John would essentially get a pass on all but the most extreme legislation.  Even then we would be splintered in our opposition, and be calling on deaf ears more often than not in Congress. But President Obama would be in a position to influence congressional elections, and get representatives more in-line with his thinking. Look, there's no doubt this could be the case. But if you think as I do, that Obama would out himself in ways that would offend a great deal of Americans, the actual outcome would likely be a landslide for Conservatism in 2010.  After eight years of President Obama, and a few election cycles, who knows what Congress will be like? Their resistance could fade. I believe that is a valid question, one that I can not definitively answer.  None the less, I do think we stand a better chance of retaking Congress under Obama.  Even if we did retake it under McCain, would it actually be moving to the right?  I don't think so.  We'd be looking at more Snows McCains and Spectors.  The same dynamic you worry about with Obama, would play out for McCain.  And I continue to say, that more damage can be done to our side by a leftist at the top, than can be done by a leftist at the top of the Democrat's ticket.  Who on our side is going to run on a Conservative platform if McCain has won as a leftist, and the RNC supports him because he is their figurehead?

And what sort of Command-in-Chief would Obama be compared to McCain? If Obama wins, we abandon our commitment to Iraq. This is the fatal flaw of any "let Obama win" concept.

I would suggest you read my reply here, and see if it makes any sense to you.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2014646/posts?page=60#60


78 posted on 05/11/2008 10:12:53 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Who opposes John McCain's leftist agenda? The RNC, Rep Congress members, the Democrats? Good luck!)
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To: DoughtyOne
This is true, predictive, visionary-style comments.

They will ALL come to pass if the Mistake which the Republicans Chose, John McCain, enters the White House.

102 posted on 05/11/2008 10:35:02 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Your Free To Vote 4 McCain. I Won't. I Don't Want To Hear Your Gripes Thru His 4 Years of RINO-ism!)
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To: DoughtyOne
With McCain they are not unified, even against some pretty ripe legislation. John would essentially get a pass on all but the most extreme legislation.

Now you may have a valid point here, I'll give you that. The problem with this is you have to assume McLame will be able to pass more liberal legislation than Obama will. If this is true you will also have to assume that these same RINOs will not vote for more said liberal policies in the name of bi-partisanship if Obama was in power. I don't think it will happen the way you say it will here, but I'm not saying I don't have my doubts. I agree with you that this is not acceptable Republican behavior, my friend. I think you are a principled man, and you hate to see what is going on in the GOP. I wish more congressmen where like you in that regard.

113 posted on 05/11/2008 10:51:09 PM PDT by LifeOrGoods? (Liberalism=stupidity=Obama=false 'hope'=true defeat)
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To: DoughtyOne
I also would like to add that I like your positive outlook in the outset of an Obama victory. We could possibly capitalize on a weak sitting President if in fact we do find a true conservative to run against him(is this possible?). And I think we could have this great hope realized in 4 years instead of 8 if that makes anything better for you. Keep fighting for what you think is right. Even though we disagree, I think the fact that we are so passionate and able to discuss this issue makes our thinking more clear and synergizied on this. God bless, my friend.
124 posted on 05/11/2008 11:03:01 PM PDT by LifeOrGoods? (Liberalism=stupidity=Obama=false 'hope'=true defeat)
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