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Gag on 2nd Amendment Is City’s Aim in Guns Suit
New York Sun ^
| 09 may 08
| JOSEPH GOLDSTEIN
Posted on 05/09/2008 6:45:38 AM PDT by rellimpank
Lawyers for Mayor Bloomberg are asking a judge to ban any reference to the Second Amendment during the upcoming trial of a gun shop owner who was sued by the city. While trials are often tightly choreographed, with lawyers routinely instructed to not tell certain facts to a jury, a gag order on a section of the Constitution would be an oddity.
Apparently Mayor Bloomberg has a problem with both the First and the Second amendments, Lawrence Keane, the general counsel of a firearms industry association, the National Shooting Sports Foundation, said. The trial, set to begin May 27, involves a Georgia gun shop, Adventure Outdoors, which the city alleges is responsible
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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Georgia; US: New York
KEYWORDS: adventureoutdoors; banglist; bloomberg; bloomberggestapo; ericproshansky; jackweinstein; liberals; nyc; secondamendment
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To: Dead Corpse
McVeigh had the will. I didn’t see many people joining in then.
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posted on
05/09/2008 7:29:15 AM PDT
by
from occupied ga
(Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
To: bmwcyle
If I was the judge I’d cite him and his lawyer for contempt just for making the argument that some portion of the Constitution is “irrelevant” and give them an all-expense-paid weekend in jail, courtesy of the taxpayers.
To: from occupied ga
Agreed. There won’t be either...
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posted on
05/09/2008 7:35:25 AM PDT
by
Dead Corpse
(What would a free man do?)
To: rellimpank
Bloomberg and his cronies should be prosecuted for civil rights violations for their actions here.
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posted on
05/09/2008 7:54:29 AM PDT
by
FreedomPoster
(<===Non-bitter, Gun-totin', Typical White American)
To: rellimpank
Gun Availability May Add To City's Murder Rate Reporting Dana Kozlov CHICAGO (CBS) ― CBS 2 has been reporting this week on the reasons behind the deadly violence on Chicago's streets. Most of the crimes, reports CBS 2's Dana Kozlov, have at least one thing in common guns. Rheba Misters, 22, says when she looks at her 5-year-old neice, Alexia, she sees hope and a child too wise for her years. "To have my 5-year-old niece say 'that disappoints me when I see shootings, and killings, when I see kids who are like my age dying,' that really brought tears to my eyes, like, are you serious?" Misters said. Misters is trying to protect Alexia from the tumultuous life she knew for 16 years, a life of abuse, foster care and street violence. Misters says the easy availability of guns only makes that worse. "It's like taking candy from a baby, basically, or going into a store and buying a piece of candy....they're so easy," she said. Misters works as a peer mentor for Ulrich Children's Advantage Network, or UCAN, helping troubled teens and teen moms make positive life choices. In 2006 there were 468 murders in Chicago, most of them gun-related. That's compared to 480 and 596 murders in the much larger cities of Los Angeles and New York respectively. Criminologists say there's no clear reason Chicago's murder rate is so much higher, but believe there may be more guns here. The Chicago Crime Commission's Jim Wagner says numbers from the Chicago Police Department and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms backs that up. "It does show an increase in the number of guns, simply compared to the number they're taking off the street and seizing," Wagner said. So where are all the guns coming from? The FBI says most come from illegal straw vendors but a lot of the other ones come from burglaries. And FBI Special Agent in Charge Bill Monroe says despite talk to the contrary, assault rifles aren't the criminals' weapon of choice. "Most of our murders that are occurring out there are not occurring with assault rifles. It's the smaller handguns that are causing a lot of these murders," Monroe said. http://cbs2chicago.com/local/gun.violence.chicago.2.719704.html Bad, bad guns. barf
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posted on
05/09/2008 8:00:23 AM PDT
by
KeyLargo
To: Joe Brower
Bloomberg is a dispicable little arrogant toad. He thinks his views on things take precedence over the opinions of lesser mortals.
He is the perfect mayor for a large city - in Ancient China.
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posted on
05/09/2008 8:06:37 AM PDT
by
ZULU
(Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
To: rellimpank
I can actually understand this. The issue is straw sales, not legal sales, which would be a RTKBA issue. On the other hand:
Lawyers for the gun store say the two hidden cameras brought in by investigators malfunctioned less than halfway into the purchase and fail to show the precautions taken by the sales staff at the store to prevent a straw purchase.
Oh how convenient that their cameras failed. What a coincidence that they only failed to film the proper precautions against straw sales taken by the employees.
To: rellimpank
With Federal judge Jack Weinstein presiding, the trial will be a fair as a Stalinist show trial. The whole case is rigged against the Second Amendment and the GA gun store.
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posted on
05/09/2008 8:10:10 AM PDT
by
RicocheT
To: rellimpank
Do you recall how the judge ruled in that case? Gag or no gag?
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posted on
05/09/2008 8:25:26 AM PDT
by
B4Ranch
To: FreedomPoster
a gag order on a section of the Constitution would be an oddity should be prosecuted for civil rights violations ... How could the consideration, much less suggestion of this be anything less than a blatant civil rights violation ???
disgusting it will go unpunished...
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posted on
05/09/2008 8:45:40 AM PDT
by
Gilbo_3
(Choose Liberty over slavery... the gulag awaits ANY compromise with evil...LiveFReeOr Die...)
To: rellimpank
Well, if the case involved a Pentagon employee selling state secrets to the enemy, I would image the lawyers could agree beforehand not to mention the free speech clause of the first amendment.
To: rellimpank; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; ...
..a gag order on a section of the Constitution would be an oddity.
Libertarian ping! To be added or removed freepmail me or post a message here.
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posted on
05/09/2008 9:05:40 AM PDT
by
traviskicks
(http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
To: doodad; unixfox
"Woe to you lawyers, for you have taken away the key of knowledge: you yourselves have not entered in, and those that were entering in, you have hindered." (Luke 11:52)
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posted on
05/09/2008 9:07:14 AM PDT
by
Alberta's Child
(I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
To: Dead Corpse
“He was, but he should have been OUR nut case as his point on RKBA was dead on...”
I remember people making fun of him but they missed the point. He was batty but they SCREWED him big time. The judge in that case should be doing 20 years.
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posted on
05/09/2008 9:12:36 AM PDT
by
dljordan
To: Eurale
Not really. Liberals are all for constitutional rights — except when they get in the way of shutting up their opponents or destroying the Constitution.
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posted on
05/09/2008 9:42:24 AM PDT
by
Blood of Tyrants
(G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
To: rellimpank
This would seem to be a constitutional violation of the separation of powers. The judicial would be subjugating the legislature by not allowing the legislative action (i.e. an amendment to the U.S. Constitution) to speak when a subordinate piece of legislation (i.e. a local city ordinance) is being judged.
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posted on
05/09/2008 9:48:32 AM PDT
by
Ghengis
(Of course freedom is free. If it wasn't, it would be called expensivedom. ~Cindy Sheehan 11/11/06)
To: antiRepublicrat
I can actually understand this. The issue is straw sales, not legal sales, which would be a RTKBA issue.I can see why you feel that way, and I must to admit to slightly mixed feelings myself, but consider this: If many of the reasons people are barred from purchasing guns are unConstitutional, then the straw purchase prohibition ITSELF is of compromised legitimacy.
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posted on
05/09/2008 10:46:31 AM PDT
by
Still Thinking
(Typical white person)
To: Joe Brower
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posted on
05/09/2008 10:52:54 AM PDT
by
blackie
(Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
To: Joe Brower
What do you expect, look at the voters who put these arrogant thieves in power.
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posted on
05/09/2008 11:23:53 AM PDT
by
chiefqc
To: unixfox
A judge is just a lawyer in a different suit.
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posted on
05/09/2008 12:55:27 PM PDT
by
realdifferent1
(I hope the 'War on Terror' goes better than the 'War on Poverty'.)
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