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1 posted on 05/06/2008 8:59:53 AM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv
GGG Ping.

I noticed in two recent books that both authors (Both professors) have difficulty explaining exactly who are the Celts and their origins. The books are :

Origins Of The British Professor Stephan Oppenheimer...an excellent book.

Saxons, Vikings And Celts Professor Bryan Sykes...a very good read.

2 posted on 05/06/2008 9:05:27 AM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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1. There is a strong celtic strain in northern Spain and Portugal, which is why so many folks in that region are fair and have red hair in many cases.

2. As this article indicates, the Iberic tribes migrated to Wales.

3 posted on 05/06/2008 9:07:19 AM PDT by Clemenza (I Live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Crashes)
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To: blam

Old news.

Look up “Milesians”


4 posted on 05/06/2008 9:08:39 AM PDT by wolfpat (If you don't like the Patriot Act, you're really gonna hate Sharia Law.)
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To: blam
Interesting but not a new idea. The Irish - more Spanish than Celtic?
[snip] "The primary genetic legacy of Ireland seems to have come from people from Spain and Portugal after the last ice age."
5 posted on 05/06/2008 9:09:36 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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6 posted on 05/06/2008 9:15:20 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: blam
Its pretty simple. Basically everyone mixed with everyone. As someone who is desceneded from the Welsh, English, Scottish, Irish, German, Norweigan, Swiss, and even some Native Am. thread back when my ancestor first came to America.

My Scottish ancestors won their independance in the Battle of Bannockburn. But I actually have more English in me. But hey who would't claim the Battle of Bannockburn even if it was just a drop of your blood?

Anyway there is quite a bit of archeological and geneological evidence that large groups of migrations from the twelve tribes of Israel in the Middle east emmigrated north during throughout Europe during the babylonian invasion. Secular scholare are blind to it. (Geee! when this group dissapears in the Middle East a new group that looks just like them archeologically migrates north across Europe and splits into groups that go all over Norway Sweden, Germany, England, Spain etc. There can;t be a connection!)

For example There is evidence that Jeremiah came to Ireland with Princess Tea Tephi who was a daughter of Zedekiah and married Eochaidh in Ireland. Her sister Scota married Gaythelos, son of the King of Greece, in Spain. Some claim they are just legends (usually atheist scholars trying to downplay Isreal's socio-political role in the history of Europe and the world) but the genological record and archeolgical record are pretty plain.

A good book on the matter is "House of Israel" which is out of print but there are probably newer books about the topic that are good resources. Wikipedia has some decent articles but google the names and you'll get some better websites like one that lists Israeli geneology back to Adam.

During WWI all the royalty of the various countries were related and intermarried as well.

10 posted on 05/06/2008 9:22:57 AM PDT by Rameumptom (Gen X= they killed 1 in 4 of us)
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Celtic music fans should check out LLAN DE CUBEL. They do Asturian music. http://www.llandecubel.com/english.html


11 posted on 05/06/2008 9:23:13 AM PDT by omega4412
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To: blam

See Bill Cooper’s book, After the Flood. He traces their lineage back to Japheth, son of Noah. Very interesting study.


13 posted on 05/06/2008 9:41:52 AM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: blam

That’s why they were called Celt-Iberians.


14 posted on 05/06/2008 9:43:17 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: blam

Too many years ago, I read a historical fiction novel that was about the migration from Iberia to Ireland. Must have had some basis in fact to be published, as historical fiction.

Wish I could remember the book. Any help out there?


15 posted on 05/06/2008 9:50:43 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1 - Take no prisoners))
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To: blam

The folk music and dance from northern Spain is strikingly celtic, from the toe-dancing, to the bagpipes, and on. When they have a folk-festival they sometimes invite celt bands from the British Isles, who fit right in, its hard to know who is who.

You half-expect the Spaniards to start speaking gaelic at any moment.


17 posted on 05/06/2008 10:08:48 AM PDT by marron
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I think Celtic invaders of Britain came both from northern Iberia and continental Europe.

Caesar noted that many tribes in Britain had names similar or identical to names of tribes in Gaul.


19 posted on 05/06/2008 10:11:46 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: blam

Celts, Germans, Latins and Slavs all speak Indo-European who are believed to have come from the East. Ancient peoples who first settled Europe probably spoke something akin to Basque. Europeans are a hybrid race. Why they chose Indo-European languages over their ancient tongues remains a mystery.


21 posted on 05/06/2008 10:33:43 AM PDT by Eternal_Bear (`)
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To: blam

Cool article. Interesting to see what modern investigative techniques can do to dusty old theories put forth by bored Englishmen (or Welshmen as the case may be). :)

As an aside, after weathering the last ice age on the Iberian peninsula it would appear that the Celts took Europe by storm. Archaeological and literary evidence shows that the Celts made it all the way to modern-day Turkey and beyond. One of the Greek historians specifically mentioned tribes of Keltoi living in Anatolia.


22 posted on 05/06/2008 10:36:28 AM PDT by jameslalor
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27 posted on 05/06/2008 10:15:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Profile updated Monday, April 28, 2008)
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To: blam

Although my *immediate* ancestry is heavily weighted towards Irish/Scots & Danish, there are a lot of Welsh in my genetic wood pile.

I do not have the coloration of my parents or even my grandparents.

The family branch which I most resemble are my Welsh cousins and aunts/uncles.

Though my parents are tall, fair-skinned, blonde people with blue eyes, I am shorter, auburn and green-eyed.

I don’t “look like” my parents very much at all, except for a passing resemblance to my dad who resembles to a much less extent, the Welsh side.

The hair and eyes aren’t the most different features...my skin color is.
It’s not “olive” and it’s not “sallow”.
It’s a strange, light golden tone that never goes completely “white”, even in winter.

I do not sunburn or “tan”.
I only turn the color of light toast, almost exactly, no matter how much sun I get.

My folks often made cracks about me being “left by the Gypsies”.


28 posted on 05/06/2008 10:40:45 PM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent......)
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