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Envisioning a World Without Men
ABC News ^ | 04/28/2008 | Nick Watt

Posted on 04/29/2008 8:04:52 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007

Imagine a world without men: Lauren Bacall but no Bogie, Hillary Clinton but no Bill, no Starsky or Hutch.

This isn't just an unlikely sci-fi scenario. This could be reality, according to Bryan Sykes, an eminent professor of genetics at Oxford University and author of "Adam's Curse: A Future Without Men."

"The Y chromosome is deteriorating and will, in my belief, disappear," Sykes told me. A world-renowned authority on genetic material, Sykes is called upon to investigate DNA evidence from crime scenes. His team of researchers is currently compiling a DNA family tree for our species.

Y Chromosome 'Fatally Flawed'

The Y chromosome is passed from father to son, it's what makes babies into boys. Basically the human template is a female: the Y chromosome kicks in a few weeks after conception and makes a boy. "Men are genetically modified women," explained Sykes. But unlike other chromosomes, the Y chromosome can't repair itself and will, says Sykes, disappear altogether in about 125,000 years.

"Every generation one percent of men will have a mutation which reduces their fertility by 10 percent," explained Sykes. Unlike most chromosomes, the Y does not travel through the generation in pairs, so can never repair itself from a mirror. Flaws are never repaired. "So if that goes on for generation after generation," Sykes argued, "eventually there are no functioning Y chromosomes left."

So no more men … sparsely populated sports bars, Ferrari would lose the lion's share of its business, and Hooters would probably go out of business.

It's a long time, 125,000 years. But we men have a far more immediate problem: sperm counts have fallen by an incredible 20 percent in the past 50 years. Stress? Alcohol? Environmental pollution? Who knows, but it's deeply concerning for those of us with a vested interest in the survival of the male.

Sykes has received hate mail. "To seem to be saying that men will become extinct, which is what I am saying," he mused. "I've had all kinds of messages from male groups saying, 'how can you betray your gender?'"

But would the absence of men make the world a better place? There would be far fewer wars without men on the planet, and the U.S. prison population would drop a colossal 97 percent. Road deaths in the U.S. would fall 70 percent. The Olympics would be half as long, which some people might view as a good thing.

Female-Only Reproduction

But surely, flawed Y chromosome or not, bad behavior or not, we are needed for procreation. Women can't have babies without us … right? I'm afraid, pretty soon they won't need our sperm, our chromosomes, our anything.

Until now, female-only reproduction has been limited to the plant and animal kingdom. So-called parthenogenesis, observed in the Cape Honey Bee, the Kimono Dragon and the hammerhead shark. In humans: confined to 1950s B movies. But Sykes says the technology for women to procreate without us is just around the corner.

"Within the next few years you will get two women having a child who is the biological child of both of them," Sykes said. "And entirely normal in every respect, but always female."

They've already done it with mice. Two mothers: the genetic material from one used to fertilize the egg of the other.

Two Mommies

The picture that Professor Sykes is painting is of a nuclear family without a man in sight. We went in search of what could be the template for the survival of our species. Laura and Natalie are a lovely couple who live in South London with their 13-month-old daughter Sanne. They agreed to let our all-male crew take a peek into their lives. Natalie actually gave birth to Sanne. The sperm came from an anonymous donor. She's raised by two moms.

"That the child will be well balanced with just two moms: Well, that's been proven back in the 40s," explained Natalie, who is also a child psychologist. "It's the care giving and the relationship between the care-giver and the infant that is the important part."

Laura, who right now is the bread winner, thinks any family will work as long as the child is, "getting the attention, the affection, the discipline." Looking at her very contented daughter, Laura told me, "She's obviously confident. She's very stable and secure. So I think so far we're doing okay."

Laura attended both the dads' and the moms' prenatal classes. I asked Natalie if having Laura as the partner was better than having a man? "I had actually a couple of mothers saying, 'Well, at least Laura's a woman she will understand better.'" Natalie told me. "And I said, 'no.' … She was exactly the same as the dads!"

Could Laura mount a defense? "I would like to think that I separate from the dads in that I'm not hooked on the ball games and things like that," she explained. And I must say, she was knee-deep in diaper changing and feeding time while we were hanging out.

So judging by this family, two moms aren't necessarily better, but can be just as good. But surely they must need a burly man for some things? I offered to put up some shelves, or change some light bulbs. "Actually, Laura is very, very handy," Natalie told me, trying not to hurt my feelings.

"My father's a mechanic, so there's nothing about a car that disturbs me," explained Laura. "I've also … I renovated a house. So, I'm really not concerned about that either."

Maybe our only hope as men is that women decide to keep us alive for their own amusement. For the pop music, perhaps, or maybe the dancing. We can be good at that.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Philosophy
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To: L,TOWM

Just imagine how noisy the world will be with nobody to step on spiders!


41 posted on 04/29/2008 9:00:19 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Don W
Dang, are you ever fast with that Photoshop Google Image Search, dude!

Fixed yer typoz.

42 posted on 04/29/2008 9:02:19 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("Code Pink should guard against creating stereotypes in the Mincing Community." --Titan Magroyne)
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To: Allegra

;^D


43 posted on 04/29/2008 9:06:00 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("Code Pink should guard against creating stereotypes in the Mincing Community." --Titan Magroyne)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Old idea.
44 posted on 04/29/2008 9:06:29 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Pollution of water supplies with female hormones excreted in urine from birth control pills is a problem in many parts of Europe. The levels in the rivers are high enough to biologically active. Exposing males to that estrogen level can reduce fertility and cause other metabolic problems.

Note the article as mentions that human parthenogenesis requires technological assistance. Consider what happens if another plague wipes out the remaining "technologists" required to achieve reproduction by parthenogenesis. The old "low tech" method is gone and we die as a species.

45 posted on 04/29/2008 9:06:52 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
"Every generation one percent of men will have a mutation which reduces their fertility by 10 percent," explained Sykes. . . So if that goes on for generation after generation," Sykes argued, "eventually there are no functioning Y chromosomes left."

This is a geneticist? If 1 percent of men have 10 percent less fertility in a given generation, they'll be fathering 10 percent fewer of the children of the next generation—by definition. That means those without the "less-fertile" mutation will father a 1-percent-times-10-percent greater proportion of the next generation's children. Generation after generation, the ratio of men with the fertility problem will stay the same.

It's the same logic that tells you that you can't pass along your infertility to your kids.

Idiot.

46 posted on 04/29/2008 9:07:19 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
"Men are genetically modified women,"

Ah-ha!
That explains Rooty's penchant for wearing women's clothes. His Y Chromosome is screwed up.
(and most of his brain, and moral compass)

47 posted on 04/29/2008 9:10:10 AM PDT by Condor51 (I have guns in my nightstand because a Cop won't fit)
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To: Resolute Conservative

Don’t you know that that’s why men have nipples?


48 posted on 04/29/2008 9:17:27 AM PDT by SteelCurtain_SSN720 (If you pass the rabid child, say "hammer down" for me)
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To: wagglebee

In reply: Imagine how the world will look when the trash is NEVER taken out, the lawn NEVER gets mowed, the oil is NEVER changed and shopping is considered a PROFESSION.

Oh perfect, keep the economy running!

But seriously, how much longer do we really have on this earth. This is not part of the master plan.


49 posted on 04/29/2008 9:21:56 AM PDT by proudtobeanamerican1 (Media -)
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To: wagglebee

In reply: Imagine how the world will look when the trash is NEVER taken out, the lawn NEVER gets mowed, the oil is NEVER changed and shopping is considered a PROFESSION.

Oh perfect, keep the economy running!

But seriously, how much longer do we really have on this earth. This is not part of the master plan.


50 posted on 04/29/2008 9:21:57 AM PDT by proudtobeanamerican1 (Media -)
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To: wagglebee

In reply: Imagine how the world will look when the trash is NEVER taken out, the lawn NEVER gets mowed, the oil is NEVER changed and shopping is considered a PROFESSION.

Oh perfect, keep the economy running!

But seriously, how much longer do we really have on this earth. This is not part of the master plan.


51 posted on 04/29/2008 9:22:01 AM PDT by proudtobeanamerican1 (Media -)
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To: wagglebee

In reply: Imagine how the world will look when the trash is NEVER taken out, the lawn NEVER gets mowed, the oil is NEVER changed and shopping is considered a PROFESSION.

Oh perfect, keep the economy running!

But seriously, how much longer do we really have on this earth. This is not part of the master plan.


52 posted on 04/29/2008 9:22:06 AM PDT by proudtobeanamerican1 (Media -)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
It's a long time, 125,000 years.

Humans are the only species with this dysfunctional Y chromosome? I saw the TV segment on Nightline. It sounded more like feminazi agitprop.

53 posted on 04/29/2008 9:22:22 AM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: Allegra
All of the things I see listed for which we "need" men have not convinced me. I have never needed a man to do any of the things like killing bugs, snakes, opening jar lids, mowing yards, plowing the fields, whatever. I need men because I love them. They infinitely more fun than girls. They do more fun things (not to mention the obvious). They like guns that go bang, make sense about important issues, do not talk endlessly about the color of their latest bargain shirt, or the lastest recipe for a low-calorie salad. Give me the adventure of life, not the security.

I think you know what I'm saying, Allegra.

54 posted on 04/29/2008 9:24:46 AM PDT by WVNan
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To: Tallguy

Remember....don’t put anything past the Clintons.


55 posted on 04/29/2008 9:27:46 AM PDT by proudtobeanamerican1 (Media -)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

this is from ABC news. I think this type of kook science story is more about selling to female views than it is about science.

1/2 the poplulation has no interest in network TV and given ABC’s coverage of this story, it appears they are comfortable with an all female demographic.

This is nothing new, crazy feminists from the 60’s were selling this manure.


56 posted on 04/29/2008 9:27:59 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
There would be far fewer wars without men on the planet, and the U.S. prison population would drop a colossal 97 percent.

Anybody who believes this has never worked in an all-female office.

57 posted on 04/29/2008 9:30:43 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Condor51

Men are Men
Women are Women

Insane professors are eunachs who have been castrated by the ivory tower’s feminazis.


58 posted on 04/29/2008 9:31:06 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Ramius

Imagine an entire planet which syncronizes for a period at the same time of the month on a planetary scale.

War every month like clockwork.


59 posted on 04/29/2008 9:34:04 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

**There would be far fewer wars without men on the planet**

No I predict about the same amount of wars. Big difference is that Psychological Warfare Units will cause the enemy to lose the will to fight when the leaflets tell the female soldiers that uniforms make their butts look fat.


60 posted on 04/29/2008 9:35:02 AM PDT by Swiss
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