And it ALL could have been avoided if the FBI had simply waited for him to drive into town, like he did EVERY week to pick up the newspapers, and arrested him there.
And they were abusing the children! Uncle Sam had to burn those children to death to save them from allegedly being abused.
If we can't trust the government to incinerate people for their own good, then who can we look to?
CS can KILL you! You drown in mucus and saliva. I know because I pulled a combat engineer out of a VC tunnel pumped full of CS. His gas mask had damp filters and was not working. The other two combat engineers with him barely made it out, gasping, coughing and crying.
When I got to the third man and tried to turn him to get a rope around him, he only gurgled. We got him hauled out and the Navy corpsman was able to restore his breathing with CPR.
He lived and miraculously recovered without brain damage. (or at least no more brain damage that we Marines normally have! :-) )
It was CRIMINAL for Reno to allow and Larry Potts to order CS to be used in an enclosed space with INNOCENT women & children inside. They are guilty of negligent homicide at the least.
Has this tape ever been released?
All the Davidians had to to was to leave the compound as some of them did between 2/29 and 4/19. However, they choose to stay even after the cult leaders set the compound on fire.
And no, I do not believe that FBI and BATF Agents would intentionally set the place on fire. And yes, I have heard and read what Alex Jones and his ilk believe and that is B.S.
And before the military attack on the Branch Davidians and their children, Hillary Clinton flew to Austin to confer with then Gov. Ann Richards. The Clintons were sick of the 54 day stand-off in Waco and wanted to end it.
I’d like someone to file a FOIA to see if there is a record of what Hillary Clinton told Gov. Richards. I think it’s a safe bet that she gave the governor a heads-up that the military would be coming in to end it, with Janet Reno’s blessing, and Gov. Richards had to provide the fig leaf of requesting help from Ft. Hood. Hillary doesn’t seem to brag about this episode in her resume of how she handled various crises as First Lady.
Because the women were taking care of it, Billy Jeff could hide behind Reno’s ample skirt after the inferno that cremated 22 Texas children.
Strangely, there was scarcely a peep from the American people after this atrocity...far less that the wailing about rights of the children at the FLDS compound at Eldorado, who are in a much safer situation than the Davidian children were.
Press Briefing by George StephanopoulosTHE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release April 19, 1993
PRESS BRIEFING
BY GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOSThe Briefing Room
1:10 P.M. EDT
MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I can just take questions today. I have no announcements to make.
~ snip ~
Q Does the President or anybody in the White House have any input into the operation in Waco?
MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The Attorney General informed the President yesterday that they were planning on going ahead with this kind of an operation. But it's a decision by the Attorney General and the FBI.
Q George, since the Attorney General works for the President, isn't it fair to say that it's a presidential decision not to stop it?
MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The President was clearly informed of --
Q apparently gave approval to do it, or he could have stopped it.
MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, he didn't stop it. No, he didn't stop it. The Attorney General informed --
Q So in not stopping it, he approved it.
MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: We can get into a philosophical or semantic discussion, but --
Q Well, he assumes responsibility --
MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Certainly he is responsible, but it's the Attorney General and the FBI have operational control over this. But clearly he was informed.
Q Did she ask him for authorization?
MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: No, she informed him. She said this is what the FBI would like to do.
Q But why, George -- Dee Dee didn't know this morning -- why is it FBI and Justice as opposed to ATF --
MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: That was -- a special agent was put in charge -- I think it was within 24 hours of the original incident. That's not common practice. And the FBI has been --
Q It's not a reflection on the agency?
MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Not in the least. The FBI has been in control of this since the very beginning.
Q Why did the President think this was the right time to go ahead?
MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: The FBI laid out -- I mean, the Attorney General for the FBI laid out the arguments. And I can't get into all of the details of the argument. It wouldn't be appropriate to do that while the situation is still going on. But the Attorney General laid out the argument and the President made no objection.
Q Has he received any reports today?
MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: I think he's been -- we've been receiving periodic updates from the FBI.
Q How closely is he following it, though, along those same lines? Is this something he's following the news accounts? Is someone there calling him from the Justice Department every hour or two hours or what?
MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Again, he's received periodic reports during the day. I don't know how many he's received. Clearly, CNN is also giving it blanket coverage. But the President has received reports from the Justice Department this morning.
Q Shakey coverage. (Laughter.)
MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Wolf, what do you have to say to that?
~ snip ~
Q Before Haiti, can we get back to Waco for one second? We were just told the Waco -- the building, the compound is now on fire. Have you heard about that?
MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: This just in.
Q You've got to move faster. (Laughter.)
MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, what is just in is that CNN is now showing live footage of -- (laughter) -- of the building on the Koresh compound. It's unclear what this is. I have no independent information on this, as you know. It's just reported. I will try and get something and get it back to you.
Q Can I ask about Haiti?
MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Sure.
~ snip ~
APRIL 19th! Grecian Formula 59!!! AAAAHHH!
After all has been analyzed, I think there is a strong probability that the Branch Davidians had not broken any laws at all.
The entire operation was a set up. The main reason I think that is Democratic Congressmen blocked all efforts to have NRA experts examine the recovered remains of the guns. the cowardly Republicans let them bamboozle them. It just doesn’t make sense that they would mind if they really were fully automatic.
Apparently, today is the day to unload a huge pile of steaming,redolent crap upon the readers of FR as well.
Shouting an obvious lie at the top of your lungs does NOT make it true - no matter how much you want it to be.
"To be honest with you, I'd not shed a single tear if someone nuked Washington DC"
which I've been requested to change by one of the mods. Apparently someone here thinks there would be a downside. I disagree.
I always bring this up when the Liberals start screaming about Gitmo, and Abu G.
If driving tanks into a building filled with innocent women and children isn’t torture/terrorism, then I don’t know what is.
An excellent book covering the events of Waco and the legal issues raised is:
David P. Kopel and Paul H. Blackman, No More Wacos: What's Wrong with Federal Law Enforcement and How To Change It (Amherst, NY: Prometheus Books, 1997).
Hillary and Vince Foster were there at Waco, by the way.
...won’t hear any reporters asking her about that bit, however.
Here's a winning entry from little 6 1/2 year-old Dixon:
This is not a fake; check the URL under the image's "properties".
They're proud of it.
Whoever gave this order is a mass murderer of children. That was CS gas, which must NEVER be used on children even in the open air, because the diameter of their respiratory airways is smaller than an adult, and they suffocate. By using this substance in an enclosed space where there were known to be children, they guaranteed that there would have been dead babies at the end of the siege even if there hadn't been any fire. No wonder they wanted to get rid of the evidence.
I will never forgive those responsible for this travesty. Some of our "public servants" should have faced a firing squad for this. I wish I had sat on the survivors' trial jury afterwards. Justice would have been done.
-ccm
And it was that idiot Holder that under Janet Reno block the CIA and FBI connection that ultimately led to 9/11.
UNBELIEVABLE...