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To: Constitutionalist1958

All the Davidians had to to was to leave the compound as some of them did between 2/29 and 4/19. However, they choose to stay even after the cult leaders set the compound on fire.

And no, I do not believe that FBI and BATF Agents would intentionally set the place on fire. And yes, I have heard and read what Alex Jones and his ilk believe and that is B.S.


11 posted on 04/18/2008 12:36:28 PM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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To: trumandogz
You wrote “And no, I do not believe that FBI and BATF Agents would intentionally set the place on fire.”

I firmly believe that the play military civilians set the place on fire and killed the children with NO regrets when they did NOT have to do it and could have made the arrest in town like they should have done but wanted to play military.

18 posted on 04/18/2008 12:39:55 PM PDT by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the Royal 100 Club)
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To: trumandogz

“All the Davidians had to to was to leave the compound as some of them did between 2/29 and 4/19. However, they choose to stay even after the cult leaders set the compound on fire.”

And so its all right for the government to kill them. There is some evidence that people were shot as they ran out of the building. Of course we’ll never know because the site was razed within 24 hours.


27 posted on 04/18/2008 12:48:52 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: trumandogz

The FLIR footage from that day is pretty damning to the government IMO.


29 posted on 04/18/2008 12:50:32 PM PDT by Sybeck1 (It's truly bad when your Savior in November is Judas Himself.)
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To: trumandogz

My Lord!

Why does it seem that any given atrocity isn’t complete without apologists?


37 posted on 04/18/2008 1:01:50 PM PDT by labette
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To: trumandogz
All the Davidians had to to was to leave the compound as some of them did between 2/29 and 4/19. However, they choose to stay even after the cult leaders set the compound on fire.

There were many innocent children, all the way down to infants in the compound. If the government believed Koresh was so dangerous then plausibly many people inside might have been hostages in one way or another. Any plans should have been focused around saving the children. The plan they came up with was brain-dead.

48 posted on 04/18/2008 1:15:11 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: trumandogz
All the Davidians had to to was to leave the compound as some of them did between 2/29 and 4/19. However, they choose to stay even after the cult leaders set the compound on fire.

There were many innocent children, all the way down to infants in the compound. If the government believed Koresh was so dangerous then plausibly many people inside might have been hostages in one way or another. Any plans should have been focused around saving the children. The plan they came up with was brain-dead.

49 posted on 04/18/2008 1:15:21 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: trumandogz
All the Davidians had to to was to leave the compound as some of them did between 2/29 and 4/19. However, they choose to stay even after the cult leaders set the compound on fire.

Did you read in the 1993 Justice Dept report and House hearings transcripts that the FBI fired flash-bang grenades at any Branch Davidians attempting to leave the house, thereby forcing them to retreat back into the house?

Did you read that the FBI surrounded the house with razor wire?

And no, I do not believe that FBI and BATF Agents would intentionally set the place on fire. And yes, I have heard and read what Alex Jones and his ilk believe and that is B.S.

Did you also read the autopsy reports that claim many of the BDs died of gunshot wounds, yet no bullets were found inside any of the bodies?

Had you read further into the autopsy reports, you would've seen that none of the bodies were in any kind of condition to do anything on April 19.

Did you read where the ATF used a blind man as the source for the affidavit that Koresh had sex with children? This very same blind man also claims to have received extensive weapons training at Mt. Carmel.

Here's something else to read from the House report:

House of Representatives Report 104-749 8/2/96 Committee of Government Reform & Oversight "..."The staff also had an opportunity to inspect the physical evidence taken from the ruins of the residence after the fire, much of which had been used in the criminal trial of surviving Davidians. By prior agreement with the Justice Department, a potential witness at the hearings, Failure Analysis Associates, Inc., was to inspect some of the physical evidence in order to respond to tampering allegations. It was believed that the views of scientists from Failure Analysis, who had often performed scientific evaluations for the Federal Government, including the Justice Department and NASA after the Challenger explosion, would be beneficial given public suspicions about the firearms recovered from the site of the Davidian residence…... When the scientists arrived in Austin, the Department declined to make the firearms available to them. The Department agreed instead to conduct the tests itself and present its findings to the subcommittees. A short time later, the Department urged, for cost considerations, that the tests not be performed. As a result, no tests were performed on the firearms." ....."

64 posted on 04/18/2008 2:10:20 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (While the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.)
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To: trumandogz

I believe the FBI set the place on fire when they learned that the children had already died from gas suffocation. The fire was meant to corrupt and destroy the evidence.


69 posted on 04/18/2008 2:29:16 PM PDT by Jay Redhawk
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To: trumandogz
Forget about who lit the fires for a second. The amount of CS gas pumped in was enough to kill them:

”Based on the predicted CS exposure situation in the Mount Carmel compound and assuming the exposed people were not able to leave such worst exposure scenarios, despite the very irritating, burning effects of CS inducing heavy coughing, and considering the variation in sensitivity in humans, including children, there is a distinct possibility that this kind of CS exposure can significantly contribute to or even cause lethal effects.

http://www.veritagiustizia.it/docs/gas_cs/CS_Effects_Waco.pdf


On top of that there isn’t(wasn't at the time) a gas mask made for kids. The ATF knew the kids had no protection at all.

113 posted on 04/18/2008 4:52:30 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: trumandogz
I do not believe that FBI and BATF Agents would intentionally set the place on fire.

Your faith in the G-men is misplaced. They are the scum that knowingly pumped CS gas into an enclosed building containing children. Autopsies showed that dozens of children died from the gas before the fire even started. This effect of CS gas on children has been known for decades. They did this deliberately and knowingly, and they are mass murderers. Those who ordered and carried out this attack should have been tried for first-degree murder of children, and then executed, starting with the Reno beast.

-ccm

132 posted on 04/19/2008 12:32:55 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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