FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BURNS BRANCH DAVIDIANS - April 19, 1993

WGBH ^ | 1995 | Frontline

[Constitutionalist1958]

At 5:59 a.m., SAGE telephones the Davidians, notifying them of an imminent tear-gas assault. SAGE reads a message over the loudspeaker, advising the Davidians that they are under arrest and should come out. At 6:02 a.m., two FBI combat engineering vehicles, or CEVs, begin inserting gas into the compound through spray nozzles attached to a boom. At 6:04 a.m., the Davidians start shooting, and the FBI begin deploying Bradley vehicles to insert ferret rounds through the windows. At 6:31, the HRT reports that the entire building is being gassed. At about 7 a.m., RENO and senior advisors go to the FBI situation room. At 7:30, a CEV breaches the front side of the building on the first floor as it injects gas, and at 7:58 a.m., gas is inserted in the second floor of the back-right corner of the building. The FBI calls for more gas from outside Waco, and at 9:20 a.m., 48 more ferret rounds arrive from Houston. At about 9:30 a.m., with the supply of ferret rounds dwindling, one CEV is having mechanical troubles, and high winds are blowing the gas away. Another CEV begins enlarging the opening in the middle-front of the building "from which the Davidians could escape" and a third CEV with a boom but lacking a gas delivery system breaches the rear side of the building "to create openings near the gymnasium." At about 11 a.m., (Washington time) RENO talks to CLINTON, saying everything seems to be going well, and she leaves for a judicial conference in Baltimore at 11:30 a.m.. The CEV without a gas delivery system breaches the back side of the compound, concentrating on the back right corner near the warehouse-gymnasium. At 11:40 a.m., the last ferret rounds are delivered.

[ex 98C MI Dude]

Her name was Star Koresh.

[Constitutionalist1958]

Wayne8 - Bingo. The death of the Branch Davidians could have been avoided, but thats not what the BATF and FBI wanted to do. Below, are some links for your review. Regards.

Waco: The Rules of Engagement

Video 1 - http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=011_1194814086

Video 2 - http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ca8_1194815978

Video 3 - http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a15_1194816707

Video 4 - http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0a4_1194817470

Video 5 - http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=22e_1194818185

Video 6 - http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6c5_1194818766

[genefromjersey]

Again, the big lie is being pushed : a lie that persuaded Timothy Mc Veigh, Terry Nicols,and several others (including Michael Fortier) to prepare a bomb-which Mc Veigh detonated on April 19,1995 in Oklahoma City: killing 168 people (including 19 children),and a nurse who died during the rescue attempt.

At this point,the militia wannabees who instigated this slaughter decided they’d never heard of the bombers; then they launched a disinformation campaign to persuade the public it was an Iraqi plot. Finally,they said,yeah,we knew who they were,but we kicked them out,because we abhor violence.

The same wannabees are STILL out there, and are STILL advocating the violent overthrow of the government...provided they can recruit a fresh crop of suckers.

[Ol' Dan Tucker]

All the Davidians had to to was to leave the compound as some of them did between 2/29 and 4/19. However, they choose to stay even after the cult leaders set the compound on fire.

Did you read in the 1993 Justice Dept report and House hearings transcripts that the FBI fired flash-bang grenades at any Branch Davidians attempting to leave the house, thereby forcing them to retreat back into the house?

Did you read that the FBI surrounded the house with razor wire?

And no, I do not believe that FBI and BATF Agents would intentionally set the place on fire. And yes, I have heard and read what Alex Jones and his ilk believe and that is B.S.

Did you also read the autopsy reports that claim many of the BDs died of gunshot wounds, yet no bullets were found inside any of the bodies?

Had you read further into the autopsy reports, you would've seen that none of the bodies were in any kind of condition to do anything on April 19.

Did you read where the ATF used a blind man as the source for the affidavit that Koresh had sex with children? This very same blind man also claims to have received extensive weapons training at Mt. Carmel.

Here's something else to read from the House report:

House of Representatives Report 104-749 8/2/96 Committee of Government Reform & Oversight "..."The staff also had an opportunity to inspect the physical evidence taken from the ruins of the residence after the fire, much of which had been used in the criminal trial of surviving Davidians. By prior agreement with the Justice Department, a potential witness at the hearings, Failure Analysis Associates, Inc., was to inspect some of the physical evidence in order to respond to tampering allegations. It was believed that the views of scientists from Failure Analysis, who had often performed scientific evaluations for the Federal Government, including the Justice Department and NASA after the Challenger explosion, would be beneficial given public suspicions about the firearms recovered from the site of the Davidian residence…... When the scientists arrived in Austin, the Department declined to make the firearms available to them. The Department agreed instead to conduct the tests itself and present its findings to the subcommittees. A short time later, the Department urged, for cost considerations, that the tests not be performed. As a result, no tests were performed on the firearms." ....."

[Constitutionalist1958]

genefromjersey,

The OK City Federal Building bombing was a revenge act by Timothy McViegh and others for the FBI’s burning of the Branch Davidians to death at Mt. Carmel.

[Ol' Dan Tucker]

There is some evidence that people were shot as they ran out of the building.

FWIW, there were no gunshot wound victims' bodies found outside the building.

There is other evidence that shows these people died prior to April 19. (autopsy reports)

[Ol' Dan Tucker]

The FLIR footage from that day is pretty damning to the government IMO.

FWIW, the FLIR footages is a diversion to keep you from looking at the autopsy reports. These show those people were killed prior to April 19.

[genefromjersey]

Yeah: a burning carried out by the Branch Davidians themselves. That’s right, the same “heroes” who placed their own children in windows to act as human shields,so that they could snipe at federal agents with impunity.

[Jay Redhawk]

I believe the FBI set the place on fire when they learned that the children had already died from gas suffocation. The fire was meant to corrupt and destroy the evidence.

[RatsDawg]

I always bring this up when the Liberals start screaming about Gitmo, and Abu G.

If driving tanks into a building filled with innocent women and children isn’t torture/terrorism, then I don’t know what is.

[Ol' Dan Tucker]

Here's some more grist for the mill: Jimmy Riddle's and Phillip Henry's death:

The propellant used to spray the CS particles into the buildings of Mt. Carmel was methylene chloride. When methylene chloride is metabolized it mimicks carbon monoxide poisoning. When CS particles are burned, they form cyanide.

Neither Jimmy Riddle nor Phillip Henry had any trace of either in their bloodstream. Yet, both were shot dead. The mutilation to Jimmy Riddle's body was determined to have been caused when his body was run over by a treaded vehicle, such as the CEV's being used to assault the building.

News video accounts show that the CEV's entered the building immediately in front of the kitchen area throughout the morning of April 19 in order to spray the methylene chloride/CS particle mixture into the concrete pantry area. In all likelyhood, it was this CEV that mutilated Riddle's body.

The combination of these facts points to one, inescapable conclusion. Jimmy Riddle and Phillip Henry had already been shot dead by the time the CEV's entered the front of the building to spray the methylene chloride/CS particle mixture.

The widely varying states of decomposition and bodily mutilation as described in the autopsy reports (Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum) would indicate that they weren't the only ones who were dead prior to the beginning of the assault on April 19.

Interestingly, and without exception, the body of every gunshot wound victim who died on February 28 still contained the projectile that killed them. On the other hand, none those who were supposed to have been shot on April 19 were recovered with the projectiles that caused their deaths still inside their bodies. There were loose shell casings and projectiles commingled with their remains at the time of the autopsy, but none were the one's that killed them.

[Ol' Dan Tucker]

Yeah: a burning carried out by the Branch Davidians themselves. That’s right, the same “heroes” who placed their own children in windows to act as human shields,so that they could snipe at federal agents with impunity.

Source, please.

[Ol' Dan Tucker]

I believe the FBI set the place on fire when they learned that the children had already died from gas suffocation. The fire was meant to corrupt and destroy the evidence.

You're half right. The autopsy reports show that many, if not all of the children were already dead and decomposing by the morning of April 19.

The fire was meant to cover up this evidence.

[firewalk]

Thank you for your posts stating the facts.

[justiceseeker93]

I am quite sure that Bill Clinton did not feel the pain of the Waco victims, despite the fact that more than one third of deceased were so-called "minority" individuals.

An excellent book covering the events of Waco and the legal issues raised is:

David P. Kopel and Paul H. Blackman, No More Wacos: What's Wrong with Federal Law Enforcement and How To Change It (Amherst, NY: Prometheus Books, 1997).

[genefromjersey]

Eyewitness testimony of many of the agents. (You do recall there were extensive-extensive inquiries, don’t you ?)

[Ol' Dan Tucker]

Eyewitness testimony of many of the agents. (You do recall there were extensive-extensive inquiries, don’t you ?)

You're kidding, right?

[Ol' Dan Tucker]

You’re welcome.

[Jay Redhawk]

I remember hearing somewhere that the refrigerated storage trailer, that many of the bodies were stored in, had its power supply cut off allowing the bodies to liquify. If this is so then it was probably nearly impossible to pinpoint the cause of death on many poor souls.

[Popman]

Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton and Janet Reno Murdered 20 innocent American Children

Sorry, had to fix your post for accuracy