Abortion Position of Condoleezza Rice – US Secretary of State (Pro-Choice)

Life Site News ^ | 3-14-2005 | JHW - LifeSiteNews.com

[Cringing Negativism Network]

I didn’t say socialist.

I said Marxist.

[ARE SOLE]

Any Republicans?

Any Republicans? To hell with Republicans. Besides, all you do is push Condi Rice. She is an Israel hating pro abortion token.

[Cringing Negativism Network]

Guess I’m just a broken-glass Condi supporter.

That’s me.

Kind of happy with that. :)

[FreedomCalls]

True, but for a while here the talking points of the Condistas was that Condi Rice is "libertarian" on abortion.

Libertarian in that she wants the states to decide whether they should ban it or not and the federal government should not be involved in that decision.

Unfortunately I see there's some freeper on this thread still trying to sell people on the premise that Condi's pro-abortion views are "Exactly the same" as Bush's views on abortion.

They are the same and no one has found any statement of hers indicating anything else.

"The president has been in exactly the right place about [abortion]."

[Man50D]

I didn’t say socialist.

I said Marxist.

McCain the socialist vs Obama or Clinton the Marxists/Socialists or however you want to label them. Either one is an attempt to destroy this country by replacing our Democratic Republic form of government.

[marron]

Well said, your post #70.

The war is my bottom line. If any Dem were remotely trustworthy on the war, I’d happily sit this one out, as I threaten to do almost every day.

But they aren’t. I’ll vote for the candidate least likely to abandon what we’ve accomplished in Iraq and Afghanistan. If his VP choice can be trusted to do the same, I’ll be fine with it.

I disagree with Rice on some issues. She represents a continuation of Bush’s foreign policy, for good and for bad, she has been in part the architect of those policies both good and bad. I detest McCain, and if I could in conscience sit it out, I would. But the Bush/Rice foreign policy, weak as it is in some areas, is light-years ahead of the DNC’s stated positions. Its light-years more grown-up than anything Clinton or Obama have put forward.

I haven’t seen any evidence that McCain will be significantly stronger than Bush (though I hope he will be), but I see evidence that he will be far stronger than anyone from the DNC. And I can hope, at least, that he will be stronger.

So, I’ll vote for him (well, thats my mood today, he hasn’t said anything in the last 24 hours to really wind me up) and that won’t change whoever his VP is, as long as that VP can also be trusted to prosecute the war.

[Cacique]

btt

[ARE SOLE]

Guess I’m just a broken-glass Condi supporter.

No problem at all. Hey, you are entitled.

Regards

[BillyBoy]

Condi Rice has said repeatedly she supports the status quo on abortion and laws on the books except she’d end late-term abortion and federal funding of it.

Here, let me spell it out for you. In their exact worlds:

BUSH’S views on abortion:

MAN IN AUDIENCE: “Governor Bush, could you please tell us exactly how you stand on the abortion issue.”
GOV. GEORGE W. BUSH: “Yes, I’m pro-life. I’m pro-life.” (Applause)
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/jan-june00/gop_snapshot_2-11.html

President Bush Tells Pelosi: “I will veto any” pro-abortion legislation
“I will veto any legislation that weakens current Federal policies and laws on abortion, or that encourages the destruction of human life at any stage.” “Our Nation was founded on the belief that every human being has rights, dignity, and matchless value,” wrote Bush. “Every child should be welcomed into life and protected in law.”
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2007/may/07050401.html

Bush tells abortion foes, ‘We will prevail’ He spoke by telephone from Manhattan, Kansas, where he was to give a speech.
“This is a cause that appeals to the conscience of our citizens and is rooted in America’s deepest principle,” the president said. “And history tells us that with such a cause we will prevail.”
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/01/23/abortion.anniversary.ap/

Roe v. Wade, the 1973 Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion, was wrong because it ‘’usurped the power of the legislatures,’’ Bush said. ‘’I felt like it was a case where the court took the place of what the legislatures should do in America”, said Bush
http://graphics.boston.com/news/politics/campaign2000/news/Bush_tells_addicts_he_can_identify+.shtml

vs.

RICE’s views on abortion:

“Well, I’m against late term abortion, which I think is very cruel. [Otherwise], I would NOT want to see the current law changed”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65r_eKaeWl0

She described herself as “mildly pro-choice” With little prompting Rice continued, “Yeah, mildly pro-choice. That’s what that means. I think that there are a lot of things that we can unite around, and that’s where I would tend to be. When told of the belief that in order to be elected a Republican president, a contender must be firmly pro-life, Rice responded, “I’m not trying to be elected.”
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2005/mar/05031401.html

In an interview with editors and reporters in the office of the editor in chief at The Washington Times, she said she would not want the government “forcing its views” on abortion. “I believe that those who hold a strong moral view on the other side should not be forced to fund it.” Describing pro-lifers as “the other side” is one of the ways Miss Rice articulates her position as a “mildly pro-choice” Republican.
http://www.deanesmay.com/posts/1110650678.shtml

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Only on some other planet would a person who admits to being pro-choice and supporting Roe v. Wade have the “exact same views” as someone who admits to being pro-life and is committed to overturning Roe v. Wade.

If you’re okay with electing someone with a “mildly pro-choice” outlook who will only end late-term abortions, then fine, but at least be honest and admit it. There’s no point in lying and claiming she has “the exact same views” as Bush when I can simply post the truth showing she has the opposite outlook regarding the status quo on abortion.

She and Bush agreed that partial-birth shouldn’t be legal, true. The fact they hold some common ground on that ONE aspect on abortion doesn’t mean they have “the exact same view” anymore than it means Kerry has “the exact same view on Iraq” because he voted to invade in 2003.

Oh, and please feel free to ping when you can post your “sources” showing Bush calls himself pro-choice and advocates “the exact same position” as Rice that the government shouldn’t stop abortions.

[SunkenCiv]

in effect, kind of Libertarian on this issue, and meaning by that that I have been concerned about a government role in this issue. I'm a strong proponent of parental choice, of parental notification. I'm a strong proponent of a ban on late-term abortion. These are all things that I think unite people and I think that that's where we should be. I've called myself at times mildly pro-choice.

[BillyBoy]

>> Libertarian in that she wants the states to decide whether they should ban it or not and the federal government should not be involved in that decision. <<

Since WHEN has Libertarianism called for states to decide whether or not to ban abortion? I was not aware any libertarian think tank has stated such a position on abortion. I can site hard-core liberatarians who favor abortion on demand and hard-core libertarians who wouldn't ever allow abortion and yet they're all libertarians. I suppose all the hard-core Libertarians who are for banning abortion nationwide, like Ron Paul, are not "real" libertarians in your mind, eh?

>> They are the same and no one has found any statement of hers indicating anything else. <<

I have. Rice says she's "pro-choice" and would NOT change the current laws on abortion. Bush says he's "pro-life" and would do so. Those are their EXACT words, and those are the FACTS, whether you like them or not. I'm sorry their exact words don't match your agenda here, but that's not my problem.

>> "The president has been in exactly the right place about [abortion]." <<

And...

Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D., said Bush deserved “great credit” for his leadership during the war and praised the work of the military.
--- Daschle Praises Bush

So following your twisted logic, I guess we should be thankful Tom Daschle has the EXACT SAME VIEWS as Bush on the war in Iraq, eh?

[FreedomCalls]

President Bush: “I will veto any legislation that weakens current Federal policies and laws on abortion”

Rice: “I would NOT want to see the current law changed”

Those are EXACTLY the same positions.

Bush: “I felt like [Roe] was a case where the court took the place of what the legislatures should do in America”

Rice: ‘She said she would not want the [federal] government “forcing its views” on abortion’

Exactly the same positions. The other two quotes are just vague platitudes.

[FreedomCalls]

And that’s using your own quotes and sources.

[Marysecretary]

Well, that was Margaret Sanger’s intention when she began Planned Parenthood...

[Marysecretary]

She is also anti-Israel. THAT does it for me.

[Marysecretary]

Now we give them baby showers...

[Mike Darancette]

Yes, it’s what I said on the other thread. I used to admire Condi as Secretary of State, before she went over to the dark side and started playing footsie with the Palestinian terrorists and the Kosovo terrorists.

I cannot understand these Secretaries of State who get appointed then do exactly what the President tells them not to do. I don't know who the uber-cons want as a VP choice but I must remind them that Ronald Reagan is not available.

[freekitty]

They are all disasters for President. We should unnominate them now.

[SuziQ]

This isn’t news; it has been known for years.

[SuziQ]

But they haven’t a clue, and we can’t afford anyone in the White House who won’t take the war seriously, who would even think about walking away. I don’t think either Dem will do what they’ve promised, they won’t really have a choice realistically speaking, but the mere fact that they would consider it and defend it means we can’t risk putting them in the White House.

Exactly!