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Climate dissent grows hotter as chill deepens
Telegraph UK ^ | 9 March 2008 | Christopher Booker

Posted on 03/08/2008 5:22:13 PM PST by shrinkermd

Last week, virtually unreported in Britain, the extraordinary winter weather of 2008 elsewhere in the world continued. In the USA, there were blizzards as far south as Texas and Arkansas, while in northern states and Canada what they are calling "the winter from hell" has continued to break records going back in some cases to 1873. Meanwhile in Asia more details emerged of the catastrophe caused by the northern hemisphere's greatest snow cover since 1966.

In Afghanistan, where they have lost 300,000 cattle, the human death toll has risen above 1,500. In China, the havoc created by what its media call "the Winter Snow Disaster" has continued, not least in Tibet, where six months of snow and record low temperatures have killed 500,000 animals, leaving 3 million people on the edge of starvation.

It might have seemed timely that in New York an array of leading climatologists and other experts should have gathered for the most high-powered international conference yet to question the "consensus" on global warming. After three days of what the chairman called "the kind of free-spirited debate that is virtually absent from the global warming alarmist camp", the 500 delegates issued the Manhattan Declaration, stating that attempts by governments to reduce CO2 emissions would "markedly diminish further prosperity" while having "no appreciable impact" on the Earth's warming

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: climate; dissent; globalwarming; solar
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To: Hilltop

hehe, you know the routine!


41 posted on 03/08/2008 6:18:44 PM PST by Southerngl
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To: shrinkermd

Looks like the whole world is laughing at the Nobel committee, after they were bamboozled by Al Gore. He’s laughing all the way to the bank.


42 posted on 03/08/2008 6:21:15 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: shrinkermd

43 posted on 03/08/2008 6:21:59 PM PST by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: shrinkermd

I live in Pine Bluff, Arkansas, last night we had a blizzard and 8 inches of snow, in March. Hear that Al?


44 posted on 03/08/2008 6:25:03 PM PST by skateman (Always vote Republican)
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To: YOUGOTIT

It was 33 BELOW F 2 nights ago in Minnesota.

We have 32-36 inches of ICE on the Lakes & Rivers - right now.

G.W. my butttttttt...


45 posted on 03/08/2008 6:26:21 PM PST by LiveFreeOrDie2001
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To: tje
I’ve noticed that Al Gore has been laying low lately...

What? No press conference in Buffalo, NY this time?!


46 posted on 03/08/2008 6:30:45 PM PST by Tamar1973 (Riding the Korean Wave, one recipe at a time http://www.youtube.com/Tamar1973)
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To: combat_boots

Yea we’re livin’ the good life this week in northern Ohio.Ice storm on Tuesday,now this fun.


47 posted on 03/08/2008 6:32:22 PM PST by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: shrinkermd

NYT just recently published this editorial

March 4, 2008
Editorial
Confessions on Climate

The Bush administration has now provided the rationale for its lamentable decision to deny California permission to develop its own stricter rules to reduce greenhouse gas emissions from vehicles. The explanation was full of holes, but it was not a total setback for those who want urgent action on global warming.

The essence of the administration’s reasoning was that California had failed to demonstrate “extraordinary and compelling” circumstances justifying stricter rules. To make that case, Stephen Johnson, the administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency, was forced to argue that climate change gravely endangered not only California but the entire country. As hard as it is to believe, this was the first time that any senior administration official had explicitly conceded that greenhouse gases endanger public health and welfare.

Even more startling for an administration that has spent seven years in denial, Mr. Johnson acknowledged that “warming of the climate system is unequivocal,” that man-made emissions are largely responsible and that the consequences could be devastating — more wildfires, more droughts, rising sea levels, more intense hurricanes, more outbreaks of insect-borne diseases.

Given all that, one would assume that Mr. Johnson is at last ready to champion a national program of controls on greenhouse gas emissions, something the administration has long resisted. At the very least, he would now seem obliged to begin regulating greenhouse gases, at least from vehicles. The Supreme Court in effect ordered the E.P.A. to do just that last April, when it declared carbon dioxide a pollutant subject to regulatory control. Nearly a year has gone by, and Mr. Johnson has not announced any new regulations.

Meanwhile, Mr. Johnson’s decision to deny California the right to set its own emission standards is unquestionably a blow to anyone worried about climate change and its consequences. With neither the administration nor Congress willing to take aggressive action — the Senate is only now beginning to entertain a broad program of emissions reductions — there were hopes that the states could fill the gap.

California’s program was intended to take effect in 2009 and aimed to cut greenhouse gases from vehicles by nearly one-third by 2016. These are double the reductions that would be achieved by the new fuel economy standards contained in last year’s energy bill, the best the federal government has been able to do so far.

The Clean Air Act of 1970 allows California to set stricter standards than the federal government (in part because its own clean air laws predate the federal statute) as long as it first receives a federal waiver. Once that waiver is granted, other states can adopt the same standards. In anticipation of a waiver, 12 other states — including New York, New Jersey and Connecticut — had adopted California’s greenhouse gas standards and a half-dozen more are in the process of doing so. The states are now stuck with the weaker targets called for in the energy bill.

The states and various environmental groups will rightly challenge this latest decision in court. We have no doubt that the law and sound public policy are on California’s side. Meanwhile, the way Mr. Johnson framed his case leaves him and the administration no choice except to seek a national regulatory solution. As Lisa Heinzerling, the Georgetown professor who wrote the plaintiffs’ briefs in last year’s Supreme Court case, observed: Mr. Johnson “cannot avoid the consequences of his own decisions.”

We hope she is right. It is past time for this administration to do what is required by law and the planet.


48 posted on 03/08/2008 6:42:23 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd
Yeah, the Midwest is having record "consensus" this winter. Out here in Colorado we are colder than normal. Not record setting, but well below average the past several days.

You wait, the GW zealots will claim in some twisted way that Global Warming is in fact responsible for the cold. Or they'll just fall back to their latest scheme to impose their socialist control ideals... Rapid Climate Change. I think the phrase is a joke in itself. Climate is weather over the long haul... Hence "rapid" climate change is well, just weather. ;-) Or maybe just the changing seasons...

49 posted on 03/08/2008 6:45:43 PM PST by CodeMasterPhilzar
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To: Farmer Dean

Just stopped snowing in Cleveland. We picked maybe 18” where I am, but it’s hard to measure due to the winds. Some great drifts. It didn’t snow very hard, but it was continual for about 30 hours. Nothing too out of the ordinary around here.

We had 15” where I am last Easter, April 8th! East of town they had a lot more.


50 posted on 03/08/2008 7:32:58 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Lancey Howard
I wonder what scheme the anarchists and Euro-socialists will come up with next to try to con hard-working traditional American families (”Republicans”) out of their money? They tried “global cooling” in the ‘70s and ‘80s and that failed and then they tried “global warming” in the ‘90s and ‘00s and that, too, failed (despite an embarrassing last-ditch effort to change the name to “climate change”).

I wonder what those sick scumbags will dream up next?"

They might dream up next that products from China (Wal-Mart) have poison in them. And liberals and even some Freepers will believe these Marxists in the media even though they saw that global warming was a scam and that they don't know anyone poisoned to death by products from Wal-Mart(China).

These liberals in the media keep coming up with one fake scare after another, global cooling, pollution, hole in the ozone layer, global warming, China products are deadly etc.. They do this so that people will get scared and then go begging their government to create more government , more freedom robbing laws, more money robbing laws, more business crippling laws. Then once businesses are crippled with so many laws and regulations then liberals will say "see capitalism doesn't work so we'll need to nationalize everything" ( this is what they are doing to the health-care industry burden it with regulations and government involvement so that costs rise prohibitively).

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." H. L. Mencken

51 posted on 03/08/2008 7:33:19 PM PST by rurgan (socialism doesn't work. Government is the problem not the solution to our problems.)
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To: tje
I’ve noticed that Al Gore has been laying low lately...

He's losing weight to get ready for the convention.

52 posted on 03/08/2008 7:48:54 PM PST by xjcsa (I hated McCain before hating McCain was cool.)
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To: Farmer Dean

The weather channel and the satellite photos show MORE of this $#ite rolling through in the next 48 hours. I have snow over halfway up the fence posts and stuff to dig out tomorrow.

Well, the house is warm and there’s food about. Some folks don’t have that, bless them. One of our friends’ furnace is just barely holding on, and I have no idea how to get up to some relatives’ house unless by snowshoe...er...tennis racket.

Then again, it could have been ice. Thank God it wasn’t just ice. All things considered it was a pretty snow.


53 posted on 03/08/2008 8:08:39 PM PST by combat_boots (She lives! 22 weeks, 9.5 inches. Go, baby, go!)
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To: xjcsa

“I’ve noticed that Al Gore has been laying low lately...

He’s losing weight to get ready for the convention.”

He should hae started last Spring then.


54 posted on 03/08/2008 8:13:37 PM PST by combat_boots (She lives! 22 weeks, 9.5 inches. Go, baby, go!)
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To: rurgan

I must have missed the “sarcasm” tag.


55 posted on 03/08/2008 8:22:45 PM PST by Don W (My ingrown toenail has more acting talent than Will Farrell, Jack Black and Queen Latifah COMBINED)
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To: rurgan

Great post! Thanks for your response.

Also, don’t forget about such other scams as “radon”, “black mold”, “lead paint”, and “Africanized killer bees”. I can’t imagine how much taxpayer money was flushed down the toilet on “grants”, “studies”, and “commissions”, etc. Most destructively, the ban on DDT led to literally millions of malaria deaths in Africa.

If there is a plague on this mother earth, it is liberals.

Thank God for the new media because this crap isn’t going to cut it anymore. The “global warming” scam isn’t completely dead yet, but it’s bleeding badly. We must be even more relentless than the greedy, scumbag liberals.

FRegards,
LH


56 posted on 03/08/2008 8:28:20 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: canuck_conservative

My family moved to northern Oregon in June, 1969, from San Clemente, southern California. Portland, Oregon, was 55 degrees F and raining - June. That winter of ‘69- ‘70, there were four major snowstorms, the one in January ‘70 dumping 4’ of snow. That winter was our first ever experience of the white fluffy stuff and my introduction to driving in the stuff.

This past winter in Longview, Washington, we’ve had a grand total of 4” all winter long. Temps have’nt dropped any lower than 15 degrees F. Spring isn’t that far away and already tulips, daffodils, and magnolias buds are swelling, getting ready to burst forth in flowers the first day of spring.


57 posted on 03/08/2008 8:54:39 PM PST by SatinDoll (Desperately seeking a conservative candidate.)
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To: ichabod1
Houston, where winter is just pretend

As opposed to Milwaukee, where it's 9 months of winter and 3 months of bad sledding.

58 posted on 03/08/2008 9:15:44 PM PST by Mygirlsmom ("My advice: Quit supporting the party that is symbolized by an ass." Ted Nugent)
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To: Lancey Howard
I wonder what those sick scumbags will dream up next?

Probably something about cars causing earth to be dragged closer to the sun.
Because of all the metal is changing our gravity, like a magnet.

Or, the earth is losing water into space and we only have 10-years to live
before the earth dries up and wars start over water instead of oil.
All because of the 70s-80s cold change, and the 90s-00s warming changes back to back.

Or, just about anything that would cause the economy to kill America. Or, _____________________________.

59 posted on 03/08/2008 9:17:43 PM PST by MaxMax (I need a life after politics)
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To: cripplecreek
"I suspect we’ll see this as a record cold March this year too. 14 degrees last night and 10 degrees expected tonight here in southern michigan. I went out and cut a hole in the ice and it’s nearly 16 inches thick."

Doesn't this mess up the "irrefutable evidence" of warming of 1 degree over a century if cold records are being set this winter? Seems like this year will negate a lot of "warming".

60 posted on 03/08/2008 10:56:28 PM PST by boop (Democracy is the theory that the people get the government they deserve, good and hard.)
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