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New Ammo Causing New Fears For Police (Sensationalism alert)
KOTV Channel 6 Tulsa ^ | 2-29-08 | Lori Fullbright

Posted on 02/29/2008 5:32:07 AM PST by OKSooner

A safety alert put out by the Atlanta Police Department's homeland security unit, warns officers to be extra careful because of the ammunition.

Brian Hill with Tulsa's U.S. Shooting Academy agreed to help test the ammunition.

The ad for the ammunition says it shoots dozens of steel darts that cause unbelievable trauma.

Police are facing a deadly new threat. It's a new type of ammunition that can penetrate a bullet-proof vest. News On 6 crime reporter Lori Fullbright found anyone can buy it.

A safety alert put out by the Atlanta Police Department's homeland security unit, warns officers to be extra careful because of the ammunition.

Brian Hill with Tulsa's U.S. Shooting Academy agreed to help test the ammunition.

The academy teaches everything from basic self-defense to highly specialized weapons training to citizens, police officers and the military.

A police vest was put on a dummy and Hill took a couple of shots.

It could be seen that the vest was penetrated all the way through.

The ad for the ammunition says it shoots dozens of steel darts that cause unbelievable trauma.

Hill says NATO would not allow the military to use something like this, because although it can kill, it's intended to maim. He says to get self-protection, there are much better choices.

"If stopping an intruder in your home is your goal, this isn't the first or second ammo you should choose, its way down the list," said Hill.

The results were shown to tactical expert Sergeant Luke Sherman with the Tulsa Police Department.

Sergeant Sherman says officers worry more about seeing a gun than what ammunition is inside, but it's still hard to understand, marketing something that penetrates a vest.

"Millions of Americans have firearms and are always experimenting with new things. Maybe it was somebody's idea to market something that will be neat down the road, but, to me, it's not," said Sergeant Sherman.

One of the shells contains a dozen steel darts, just as advertised.

Hill shot the vest with a .40-caliber firearm. The bullet did not penetrate the 15-year-old vest.

The ammunition is legal, it's just a reminder the dangerous new threats police officers constantly face.

One sergeant recently briefed his squad on this new ammunition, just to make them aware it exists.


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KEYWORDS: ammo; banglist; leo; sensationalism
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To: umgud; archy; SLB; Shooter 2.5; Lurker; Tijeras_Slim; Eaker

As a addict for 500 Linebaugh, 460 weatherby , heavy recoil rigs etc etc ........that was a mean trick !........:o)

http://www.chuckhawks.com/825_magnum.htm

I thought I’d have to retire my Howdah pistols !

Ya got me !....Stay safe !


81 posted on 02/29/2008 10:33:04 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: humblegunner; Squantos; TheMom
A police vest was put on a dummy

Was gunner injured?

82 posted on 02/29/2008 10:51:01 AM PST by Eaker (If illegal immigrants were so great for an economy; Mexico would be building a wall to keep them in)
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To: tacticalogic

***I don’t doubt it’s effective but I shudder to think what it does to the inside of the barrel.***

Stick them inside a shot wad.


83 posted on 02/29/2008 11:00:49 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Only infidel blood can quench Muslim thirst-- Abdul-Jalil Nazeer al-Karouri)
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To: OKSooner; All

Anyone have experience with the .458 on the AR-15 paltform?


84 posted on 02/29/2008 11:03:33 AM PST by ßuddaßudd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona....)
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To: Hoof Hearted

***Please read the article. It is not about shotgun shells. It mentions .40 caliber handgun rounds, but no shotgun-pistols or anything of the sort.****

This is the ONLY mention of caliber.

“Hill shot the vest with a .40-caliber firearm. The bullet did not penetrate the 15-year-old vest.”

So, what was he shooting that delivers steel darts?


85 posted on 02/29/2008 11:07:22 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Only infidel blood can quench Muslim thirst-- Abdul-Jalil Nazeer al-Karouri)
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To: Eaker

Man he’s gonna whup ya good boy !.......LOL !


86 posted on 02/29/2008 11:08:23 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: wtc911

Well I’ve never found running around like a chicken with its head cut off to be very effective.


87 posted on 02/29/2008 11:13:01 AM PST by rednesss (Fred Thompson - 2008)
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To: PapaBear3625; wtc911

“after the cops were seen on TV running away like frightened schoolgirls”


I have footage of that on tape, at the beginning of the riots at ground zero, motorists are being attacked and the police drive around the victims to escape the violence.


88 posted on 02/29/2008 11:22:59 AM PST by ansel12 (Ronald W. Reagan and William F. Buckley Jr., Both U.S. Army veterans.)
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To: umgud
Try the new .825 handgun ammo. It won't penetrate a vest, but it does have knockdown power.

The brass says it's a straight walled revolver round. Who makes the revolver? Perhaps a T/C Encore pistol would be a satisfactory platform. A bottle of ibuprofen might be a good accessory after shooting it.

89 posted on 02/29/2008 11:27:49 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: umgud
After reading the Chuck Hawks article, I'm inclined to believe it is an early April Fools offering.
90 posted on 02/29/2008 11:32:09 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: umgud
LOL!

Great article!

91 posted on 02/29/2008 11:33:19 AM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat lead.)
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To: OKSooner

I think what theyre talking about are flechette shotgun shells that have been for sale for 20 years.

Just more anti gun BS


92 posted on 02/29/2008 11:35:25 AM PST by Armedanddangerous (Chuin, Master of Sinanju (emeritus))
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To: ASOC
A couple of our local SWAT officers are alive today because they wore their vests. The suspect fired multiple rounds of .357 magnum at the officers. One officer was hit on the collar bone (covered by the vest). It broke the collar bone, but did not penetrate. The 2nd officer to a round through the buttocks (the lead is still in his butt) and a second round in the back (covered by the vest). The round in the back would have gone right through his heart if not for the vest. It still left a big bruise underneath.

It's a good idea to wear the vest. On average, you have a better chance of survival in a SWAT operation.

93 posted on 02/29/2008 11:39:53 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: rednesss

So the answer is ‘no’. Thanks.


94 posted on 02/29/2008 11:45:06 AM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: Myrddin; Doomonyou
The 825 is a spoof, so is this, but there actually is a 50BMG handgub that is real.


95 posted on 02/29/2008 11:46:08 AM PST by umgud
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To: umgud
This one is real.


96 posted on 02/29/2008 11:49:18 AM PST by umgud
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To: G.Mason
I reckon I'll stay with my 870 loaded with 00Buck, and aim just below the head.

I Dutch load.

97 posted on 02/29/2008 11:52:01 AM PST by null and void (When you vote, remember your wallet, the welfare recipients do...)
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To: untrained skeptic

Funny you should mention pizza deliveries. One of the largest body armor companies was started by a guy that was delivering pizzas and ended up in a shoot out where he killed the badguys.


98 posted on 02/29/2008 11:53:37 AM PST by Cold Heart
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To: theBuckwheat

All of the energy is focused on the tiny end of the dart, so it has more penetrating power....big deal. It’s not like the police are going to do anything different because this ammo is on the street.

Cross bows will penetrate body armor too...do we need to outlaw those before some modern day Robin Hood gets ahold of one and holds America hostage? lol


99 posted on 02/29/2008 11:54:27 AM PST by willyd (Tickets, fines, fees, permits and inspections are synonyms for taxes)
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To: OKSooner

Not true.

The federal definition of “armor piercing” is very different from what normal people think the term means, as it has nothing to do with actual ability to pierce armor, only with the materials it is constructed from.


100 posted on 02/29/2008 11:56:35 AM PST by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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