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New Ammo Causing New Fears For Police (Sensationalism alert)
KOTV Channel 6 Tulsa ^ | 2-29-08 | Lori Fullbright

Posted on 02/29/2008 5:32:07 AM PST by OKSooner

A safety alert put out by the Atlanta Police Department's homeland security unit, warns officers to be extra careful because of the ammunition.

Brian Hill with Tulsa's U.S. Shooting Academy agreed to help test the ammunition.

The ad for the ammunition says it shoots dozens of steel darts that cause unbelievable trauma.

Police are facing a deadly new threat. It's a new type of ammunition that can penetrate a bullet-proof vest. News On 6 crime reporter Lori Fullbright found anyone can buy it.

A safety alert put out by the Atlanta Police Department's homeland security unit, warns officers to be extra careful because of the ammunition.

Brian Hill with Tulsa's U.S. Shooting Academy agreed to help test the ammunition.

The academy teaches everything from basic self-defense to highly specialized weapons training to citizens, police officers and the military.

A police vest was put on a dummy and Hill took a couple of shots.

It could be seen that the vest was penetrated all the way through.

The ad for the ammunition says it shoots dozens of steel darts that cause unbelievable trauma.

Hill says NATO would not allow the military to use something like this, because although it can kill, it's intended to maim. He says to get self-protection, there are much better choices.

"If stopping an intruder in your home is your goal, this isn't the first or second ammo you should choose, its way down the list," said Hill.

The results were shown to tactical expert Sergeant Luke Sherman with the Tulsa Police Department.

Sergeant Sherman says officers worry more about seeing a gun than what ammunition is inside, but it's still hard to understand, marketing something that penetrates a vest.

"Millions of Americans have firearms and are always experimenting with new things. Maybe it was somebody's idea to market something that will be neat down the road, but, to me, it's not," said Sergeant Sherman.

One of the shells contains a dozen steel darts, just as advertised.

Hill shot the vest with a .40-caliber firearm. The bullet did not penetrate the 15-year-old vest.

The ammunition is legal, it's just a reminder the dangerous new threats police officers constantly face.

One sergeant recently briefed his squad on this new ammunition, just to make them aware it exists.


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KEYWORDS: ammo; banglist; leo; sensationalism
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1 posted on 02/29/2008 5:32:12 AM PST by OKSooner
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To: Joe Brower

I thought it already was illegal to sell any handgun ammo that would penetrate body armor?


2 posted on 02/29/2008 5:32:56 AM PST by OKSooner
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To: OKSooner

The copy reads like it was written by an eighth-grader.


3 posted on 02/29/2008 5:36:17 AM PST by NY.SS-Bar9 (DR #1692)
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To: OKSooner

Wow they outlawed 22 while I was sleeping?


4 posted on 02/29/2008 5:37:36 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (John McCain - The Manchurian Candidate? http://www.usvetdsp.com/manchuan.htm)
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To: OKSooner

I did too. Remeber the black talon/black widow rounds? AKA Cop Killers?


5 posted on 02/29/2008 5:37:38 AM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (Hillary Clinton - It's OBAMAS Party and She'll Cry if She Wants to?)
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To: OKSooner

It’s a 12ga flechette round, been around for years, used by military in Nam for snipers in trees. Flechettes spread but penetrate foliage well.


6 posted on 02/29/2008 5:39:06 AM PST by E.Allen
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To: OKSooner
" ... "If stopping an intruder in your home is your goal, this isn't the first or second ammo you should choose, its way down the list," said Hill ... "


Thanks Brian.


I reckon I'll stay with my 870 loaded with 00Buck, and aim just below the head.

Wouldn't want to hurt anyone with darts.

7 posted on 02/29/2008 5:40:02 AM PST by G.Mason (And what is intelligence if not the craft of out-thinking our adversaries?)
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To: OKSooner

Gee Lori, this is just horrible.

But why didn’t you tell us who makes this ammo and in what calibers.

Oh, and just to make sure the readers don’t miss the point, let me stress one more time... “The ad for the ammunition says it shoots dozens of steel darts that cause unbelievable trauma.”

Poor baby. No doubt a victim of the Imperial Federal Schools System.


8 posted on 02/29/2008 5:40:12 AM PST by upchuck (Who wins doesn't matter. They're all liberals. Spend your time and money to take back Congress.)
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To: OKSooner
I thought this was gonna be about blended metal bullets

There was a thread about them on FR a year or so back. Very impressive results with these!

9 posted on 02/29/2008 5:40:33 AM PST by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: OKSooner
Bullets fired from guns are dangerous !!!!!!

10 posted on 02/29/2008 5:43:11 AM PST by Delta 21 ( MKC USCG - ret)
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To: OKSooner
BE EXTRA, EXTRA CAREFUL ! ! !

11 posted on 02/29/2008 5:43:56 AM PST by Delta 21 ( MKC USCG - ret)
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To: Delta 21

YOU'LL PUT YOUR EYE OUT, KID.


12 posted on 02/29/2008 5:46:15 AM PST by Jonah Hex ("How'd you get that scar, mister?" "Nicked myself shaving.")
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To: OKSooner
Try the new .825 handgun ammo. It won't penetrate a vest, but it does have knockdown power.


.44 mag on left and .357 mag on right.

13 posted on 02/29/2008 5:48:54 AM PST by umgud
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To: OKSooner

“DON’T PENETRATE ME, BRO’!”


14 posted on 02/29/2008 5:49:14 AM PST by TADSLOS ( McCain-Feingold: "Good for thee but not for me"- John McCain)
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To: Jonah Hex

BWAHAHAHA


15 posted on 02/29/2008 5:49:43 AM PST by Camel Joe (liberal=socialist=royalist/imperialist pawn=enemy of Freedom)
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To: OKSooner
The ammunition is legal, it's just a reminder the dangerous new threats police officers constantly face.

I get sooo sick of hearing about threats to the police. They're a lot safer in their jobs than a lot of other professions. Often police work doesn't even make the top ten for dangerous professions, and is always beaten by construction work, landscape work, truck driving, commercial fishing, and electrical work, just to name the few I can remember.

Further who cares? Why should threats to police be any more worrysome than threats to anyone else? Is somehow the death of a convenience store clerk or a cab driver less important than the death of a cop? Do they mean less to their families? Are they second class citizens because they aren't government minions?

I once did the statistics for police work vs an ordinary citizen on both Baltimore and Detroit. It turned out that you had a higher chance of getting murdered if you weren't a cop in both of these places. So for at least Detroit and Baltimore police work was safer than being an average citizen.

16 posted on 02/29/2008 5:52:50 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: OKSooner

What’s it called?

I need to BLOAT some of that to add to my Black Talon collection...


17 posted on 02/29/2008 5:56:14 AM PST by JDoutrider (No 2nd Amendment... Know Tyranny)
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To: OKSooner

I really hate those sweeps months reports.


18 posted on 02/29/2008 5:59:08 AM PST by Dahoser (America's great untapped alternative energy source: The Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.)
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To: from occupied ga
I've always respected roofers and the unbelievable sacrifices they make in their line of duty. Way higher on the job mortality list too!

They just don't have enough roofing shows on teevee.

19 posted on 02/29/2008 6:00:19 AM PST by ninonitti
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To: ninonitti
I've always respected roofers ...

Did you ever live in a house without a roof?

20 posted on 02/29/2008 6:03:52 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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