Posted on 02/28/2008 6:04:08 AM PST by yankeedame
"Waco Siege, a fifty-one-day siege by federal
agents of the Branch Davidian religious group's commune
headquarters outside Waco, Texas, in early 1993. The
siege, which began after a botched and bloody attempt on
28 February 1993 to arrest the group's leader, David
Koresh, on a weapons charge, ended in the deaths of four
federal agents and seventy-eight Branch Davidians. The
stalemate ended when U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno
ordered the use of force on April 19. Soon after federal
agents moved, fire engulfed the compound, killing
seventy-two, provoking controversy over the use of force
in dealing with dissident sects. Although some surviving
members of the sect were acquitted of manslaughter, they
received harsh sentences when convicted on lesser
charges. In August 1999, new documents surfaced
indicating that the FBI had fired three flammable tear
gas canisters during the raid on the compound. Following
a ten-month investigation, Senator John C. Danforth
released a report concluding that although federal
agents had mishandled evidence, they had neither started
the fire nor improperly employed force."
-- US History Encyclopedia: Waco Siege
The FLIR video I'm referring to is that at the end of Waco: Rules of Engagement.
The FLIR aircraft wasn't stationary. It was orbiting the area. Because of this movement, it flew through the beams of sunlight reflecting off the broken glass lying on the ground. The only way you'd have unbroken reflection as you assert is if the airplane was stationary in the sky. It wasn't.
If the flashes were from sunlight reflecting off broken glass, I would expect them to appear at random, like the flashes from a mirrored "disco ball". That is most certainly NOT what the WROE video shows.
Please explain how bullets fired into the back of a concrete structure fail to leave pockmarks (craters) in the masonry itself?
Upon what do you base your claim that bullets were fired into the back of the concrete structure? People trying to leave a burning building would not be going through concrete walls; they would be going through doors.
I would very, very much like to find an explanation for the FLIR flashes that doesn't involve muzzle flashes, because muzzle flashes mean that Americans were murdered by their own government.
Sunlight reflecting off broken glass doesn't do it. Not in the regular patterns shown in the video.
No, you have to order it directly from the Federal Government Printing Office. It cost about $75 ten years ago, and took four months to arrive.
The ATF could have picked up David Koresh anytime they wanted to but they chose to make a “show” out of it for the entire nation to see. And 80+ men, women and children died. TOTALLY AVOIDABLE.!!!
I had read on one website that DELTA had gone in a couple days before to kill everyone, but it also said because of the groups involvement and knowledge of the Mena Arkansas drug running. So I didn’t know how to take it. Could you direct me to best info? Thanks.
Please do not let the incovenience of your youth divert you from openly examining the crimes that our government committed. on those people and the coverup that followed.
If voting could really change anything, it would be a capital crime.
Of course, you already know that. :-)
bttt
It's all part of the same FLIR video. Different parts were released at different times.
If the flashes were from sunlight reflecting off broken glass, I would expect them to appear at random, like the flashes from a mirrored "disco ball". That is most certainly NOT what the WROE video shows.
I don't know if you've seen a disco ball up-close, but the mirror tiles on a disco ball are placed in a regular repeating pattern. They are not placed randomly across the surface.
Look again at the FLIR video. The flashes only occur when the plane is in the same spot in the sky relative to the spot on the ground where the flashes were occurring.
Upon what do you base your claim that bullets were fired into the back of the concrete structure? People trying to leave a burning building would not be going through concrete walls; they would be going through doors.
Where were the doors located? The doors were located adjacent to the concrete structure. In order to shoot the people exiting the doors with automatic weapons, stray bullets would have had to struck the concrete structure. Yet, there are no pockmarks in the concrete. If there are no pockmarks, there could not have been any bullets.
Review the autopsy reports and where the gunshot wound victims' bodies were found. Many people who died of gunshot wounds were found on top of the concrete structure (pantry). The back of the building was intact, so if the shooters were located next to the auditorium as you assert, they would not have been able to see the people on top of the pantry. Because of this, they would have had to have fired randomly into the wooden building to hit those people. Yet, there is no witness marks in the concrete pantry that would support such an action. Again, if there are no pockmarks, there could not have been any bullets fired.
This doesn't even begin to discuss what happened to the bullets that killed the gunshot wound victims. Without exception, not a single bullet was found inside the gunshot wound victims' bodies. They didn't melt. There were plenty of bullets found lying around the bodies.
Nor does this explain how half of the gunshot wound victims blood tests show they had none of the chemicals that should have been in their bloodstream if they'd survived being tear-gassed all morning long before being shot.
Before you mention gas masks, no gas masks were found on or near any of the gunshot wound victims' bodies.
Sunlight reflecting off broken glass doesn't do it. Not in the regular patterns shown in the video.
You're proving the disinformation is working. You're concentrating on the phony evidence provided by the government instead of concentrating on the real evidence --the condition of the bodies, themselves.
The FLIR was provided to give everyone something to argue about so they wouldn't look at the real evidence of the governemnt's crimes --the bodies. Until you've examained the autopsy reports, then you're not seeing the full picture. All you're seeing is what the goverment wants you to see.
He is a mysterious, wierd but very brilliant guy.
He hides a lot in plain sight,and uses graphics as deflection, shock and a means of communication.
But I warned you.
I notice his ten predeictions were 0%. ;-)
“If voting could really change anything, it would be a capital crime.”
That is good. And it is true.
I don't know about Mena, or why Delta was there, but they were there.
The best site for this type of info is Carol Valentine's Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum.
You'll also find that's the only site with the complete autopsy reports. (WARNING: Very Graphic --not for the squeamish)
Not only that but who was the ATF “Einstein” who came up with the an assault plan to use cattle cars? With only one or two exits per car holding dozens of ATF agents they were “fatal funnels.”
And now that I think back about it all why were many of the ATF agents only armed with Glock 19 pistols? Who the he!! brings a pistol to a rifle fight?
Long time ago to me. The 28th of Feb., ‘93 I was 7 years old.
It's never too late to start learning about the crimes of your government.
I am
Yup. Jorge was absolutely complicit in this cover up. If anyone wants to know why Jorge has been covering up for the Clintons for 15 years, you need look no further than Waco, Tx.
I also remember seeing that also very early in the morning around 5:00 am if I remember. By 8:00 am it was already edited permanently. Only us early birds ever saw it.
All morning I was quite upset and knew that Davidians were never going to get out alive.
murderers
I remember the Bots who told us all to vote for Young Jorge because he would reveal all the evidence against the Clintons once he was in.
Not like his father... a true conservative...bah!
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