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NYT: McCain's Birthplace in Canal Zone Raises Eligibility Questions...
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Posted on 02/27/2008 6:12:38 PM PST by Kay Ludlow

NYT: MCCAIN'S BIRTHPLACE IN CANAL ZONE RAISES ELIGIBILITY QUESTIONS...


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To: penelopesire
If they could get the Supreme Court to look at this , the way the Liberals write laws and buy Judges, and the way things are happening so fast. I could see them changing this to fit in a lot of people. Maybe Uncle Teddy wants him for Obamas VP. Tin hat I know but just thinking . Nothing is impossible now days. Iam from Californian , and I sure don't want him either.
421 posted on 02/27/2008 8:53:49 PM PST by easternsky
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To: ConservaTexan

As far as McCain is concerned, it would be okay if he was born in Mexico.


422 posted on 02/27/2008 8:54:29 PM PST by donna ("We can create Kingdom on earth" - Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: Kay Ludlow

It worked for Murtha. He gets to run unopposed.


423 posted on 02/27/2008 8:55:51 PM PST by airedale ( XZ)
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To: Lokibob

Wasn’t Panama a breakaway region of Colombia ? Seem to remember reading their breakaway was encouraged by Uncle Sam because of the canal.


424 posted on 02/27/2008 8:57:01 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: penelopesire
"I am still stunned and depressed."

Stunned, I was. Depresed? Only until I paid of the bets. Now, there is much work to do to prevent a Leftist POTUS.

yitbos

425 posted on 02/27/2008 8:57:34 PM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds. - Ayn Rand")
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To: Kay Ludlow

hmmm, they can only wish.


426 posted on 02/27/2008 8:57:56 PM PST by hope (hope is the dope of the obamamaniacs)
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To: SFConservative

I think that is probably correct.


427 posted on 02/27/2008 8:58:35 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: LibertyRocks

It also may depend on the country you were born in.


428 posted on 02/27/2008 8:59:40 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: bruinbirdman

So maybe Venezuela recognized it, and he could choose to be a citizen of either country. I’ll have to ask him.


429 posted on 02/27/2008 9:00:34 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: Kay Ludlow

How sad the NYTimes has degraded to this level.


430 posted on 02/27/2008 9:01:41 PM PST by newzjunkey (Why McCain now? Clintons hated, dismantled the military; Obama is worse!)
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To: SpaceBar

best post I have seen all day!


431 posted on 02/27/2008 9:04:34 PM PST by RatsDawg (Must stop McClinton!)
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To: austinrepub
Folks, this is a non-starter: McCain was born to American citizens, thereby making him a citizen. He could have been born on the space station — it does not matter, as long as his parents were American citizens.

Well, we can always hope.

432 posted on 02/27/2008 9:08:57 PM PST by FrdmLvr
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To: rdl6989

hawaii


433 posted on 02/27/2008 9:09:41 PM PST by hattend (We're running out of topsoil so "POOP IT UP!" - Rush Limbaugh, 23 Jan 2008)
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To: sphinx
Surely even the NYT isn't that addled.

I don't believe they are, but they certainly believe that their readership is.

434 posted on 02/27/2008 9:36:40 PM PST by lainie ("You had your time, you had the power, you've yet to have your finest hour" (Roger Taylor, 1984))
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To: Kay Ludlow

The Constitution means so little to liberals that they imagine that it means whatever they want it to mean.

It’s similar to the way the Democrats kept floating the “Bill Clinton as Vice President” trial balloon even though the Constitution clearly forbade it.


435 posted on 02/27/2008 9:41:03 PM PST by denydenydeny (Expel the priest and you don't inaugurate the age of reason, you get the witch doctor--Paul Johnson)
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To: Kay Ludlow

wow...if the NYT keeps this up McCain is going to win by a landslide.
They seem to have caught a case of Clinton-flu.


436 posted on 02/27/2008 9:44:30 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: Kay Ludlow
Asked and answered. I thought crack was passe. Why didn’t NYT get the memo?
437 posted on 02/27/2008 10:03:24 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl (McCain calls it "radical islamic terrorism," the dems don't refer to it at all)
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To: Kay Ludlow

Haven’t we been here before?


438 posted on 02/27/2008 10:10:17 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Kay Ludlow
Only the headline is posted.

Well, not anymore. HERE is the link he has and the full post ...

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International Herald Tribune
McCain's birthplace prompts queries about whether that rules him out
Thursday, February 28, 2008

WASHINGTON: The question has nagged at the parents of Americans born outside the continental United States for generations: Dare their children aspire to grow up and become president? In the case of Senator John McCain of Arizona, the issue is becoming more than a matter of parental daydreaming.

McCain's likely nomination as the Republican candidate for president and the happenstance of his birth in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936 are reviving a musty debate that has surfaced periodically since the founders first set quill to parchment and declared that only a "natural-born citizen" can hold the nation's highest office.

Almost since those words were written in 1787 with scant explanation, their precise meaning has been the stuff of confusion, law school review articles, whisper campaigns and civics class debates over whether only those delivered on American soil can be truly natural born. To date, no American to take the presidential oath has had an official birthplace outside the 50 states.

"There are powerful arguments that Senator McCain or anyone else in this position is constitutionally qualified, but there is certainly no precedent," said Sarah Duggin, an associate professor of law at Catholic University who has studied the issue extensively. "It is not a slam-dunk situation."

McCain was born on a military installation in the Canal Zone, where his mother and father, a navy officer, were stationed. His campaign advisers say they are comfortable that McCain meets the requirement and note that the question was researched for his first presidential bid in 1999 and reviewed again this time around.

But given mounting interest, the campaign recently asked Theodore Olson, a former solicitor general now advising McCain, to prepare a detailed legal analysis. "I don't have much doubt about it," said Olson, who added, though, that he still needed to finish his research.

Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina and one of McCain's closest allies, said it would be incomprehensible to him if the son of a military member born in a military station could not run for president.

"He was posted there on orders from the United States government," Graham said of McCain's father. "If that becomes a problem, we need to tell every military family that your kid can't be president if they take an overseas assignment."

The phrase "natural born" was in early drafts of the Constitution. Scholars say notes of the Constitutional Convention give away little of the intent of the framers. Its origin may be traced to a letter from John Jay to George Washington, with Jay suggesting that to prevent foreigners from becoming commander in chief, the Constitution needed to "declare expressly" that only a natural-born citizen could be president.

Duggin and others who have explored the arcane subject in depth say legal argument and basic fairness may indeed be on the side of McCain, a longtime member of Congress from Arizona. But multiple experts and scholarly reviews say the issue has never been definitively resolved by either Congress or the Supreme Court.

Duggin favors a constitutional amendment to settle the matter. Others have called on Congress to guarantee that Americans born outside the national boundaries can legitimately see themselves as potential contenders for the Oval Office.

"They ought to have the same rights," said Don Nickles, a former Republican senator from Oklahoma who in 2004 introduced legislation that would have established that children born abroad to American citizens could harbor presidential ambitions without a legal cloud over their hopes. "There is some ambiguity because there has never been a court case on what 'natural-born citizen' means."

McCain's situation is different from those of the current governors of California and Michigan, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Jennifer Granholm, who were born in other countries and were first citizens of those nations, rendering them naturalized Americans ineligible under current interpretations. The conflict that could conceivably ensnare McCain goes more to the interpretation of "natural born" when weighed against intent and decades of immigration law.

McCain is not the first person to find himself in these circumstances. The last Arizona Republican to be a presidential nominee, Barry Goldwater, faced the issue. He was born in the Arizona territory in 1909, three years before it became a state. But Goldwater did not win, and the view at the time was that since he was born in a continental territory that later became a state, he probably met the standard.

It also surfaced in the 1968 candidacy of George Romney, who was born in Mexico, but again was not tested. The former Connecticut politician Lowell Weicker Jr., born in Paris, sought a legal analysis when considering the presidency, an aide said, and was assured he was eligible. Franklin D. Roosevelt Jr. was once viewed as a potential successor to his father, but was seen by some as ineligible since he had been born on Campobello Island in Canada. The 21st president, Chester Arthur, whose birthplace is Vermont, was rumored to have actually been born in Canada, prompting some to question his eligibility.

Quickly recognizing confusion over the evolving nature of citizenship, the First Congress in 1790 passed a measure that did define children of citizens "born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States to be natural born." But that law is still seen as potentially unconstitutional and was overtaken by subsequent legislation that omitted the "natural-born" phrase.

McCain's citizenship was established by statutes covering the offspring of Americans abroad and laws specific to the Canal Zone as Congress realized that Americans would be living and working in the area for extended periods. But whether he qualifies as natural-born has been a topic of Internet buzz for months, with some declaring him ineligible while others assert that he meets all the basic constitutional qualifications — a natural-born citizen at least 35 years of age with 14 years of residence.

"I don't think he has any problem whatsoever," said Nickles, a McCain supporter. "But I wouldn't be a bit surprised if somebody is going to try to make an issue out of it. If it goes to court, I think he will win."

Lawyers who have examined the topic say there is not just confusion about the provision itself, but uncertainty about who would have the legal standing to challenge a candidate on such grounds, what form a challenge could take and whether it would have to wait until after the election or could be made at any time.

In a paper written 20 years ago for the Yale Law Journal on the natural-born enigma, Jill Pryor, now a lawyer in Atlanta, said that any legal challenge to a presidential candidate born outside national boundaries would be "unpredictable and unsatisfactory."

"If I were on the Supreme Court, I would decide for John McCain," Pryor said in a recent interview. "But it is certainly not a frivolous issue."

439 posted on 02/27/2008 10:18:01 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: PhilDragoo; devolve; potlatch; Fiddlstix; nicmarlo; y'all

Bump to the full text/link !!!


440 posted on 02/27/2008 10:19:21 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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