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WHY THE FAIRTAX WON'T WORK
NCPA ^ | 2/15/2008 | NCAP staff

Posted on 02/16/2008 3:30:21 PM PST by xcamel

One solution to the nation's long-term fiscal problems that has gained support in recent years is the idea of replacing all federal taxes with a 23 percent national retail sales tax called the FairTax. Unfortunately, the administrative problems inherent in this proposal make it impossible to take seriously, says Bruce Bartlett, former deputy assistant secretary for economic policy at the U.S. Treasury Department.

For example, under a FairTax scheme: A worker now netting $800 per week would immediately get a $200 raise and start taking home the full $1,000 gross wage that he is paid; instead of paying income and payroll taxes, workers would pay their taxes when they buy things.
The FairTax would impose a 23 percent tax on all goods and services (this is not really correct, but for now we'll accept it at face value for analytical purposes).

Whether he is better off or not depends on what his effective tax rate is: Assuming he spends all his income and no more than that, he will be no worse off if he now pays 23 percent of his income in taxes. That is, his effective tax rate is 23 percent; in this case, the FairTax is a wash, the worker is no better off or worse off in terms of taxes than he is now.

But what if the worker is now paying less than 23 percent of his income in federal taxes? In this case, he is clearly worse off, says Bartlett: The prices of the things he buys will rise by more than his income rises from the elimination of income and payroll taxes. Conversely, if one is wealthy and in a tax bracket above 23 percent, that person would be much better off. His income and payroll taxes would fall by much more than the prices of goods and services he consumes would rise.

Source: Bruce Bartlett, "Why the FairTax Won't Work," Tax Notes, December 24, 2007.

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To: Menehune56
"Didn’t read the full report but this summary doesn’t include Social Security and Medicare withholding and that alone is over 15%."

Plus how about state income, state sales taxes, and county taxes? Maybe they should just take all our income and supply us what they think we need to live on?

461 posted on 02/17/2008 10:34:20 AM PST by dvan
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To: Mojave

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462 posted on 02/17/2008 10:37:54 AM PST by Turret Gunner A20 (of the)
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To: Turret Gunner A20
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That's the sound of America's take on the "Fair Tax" cult?

463 posted on 02/17/2008 10:39:48 AM PST by Mojave
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To: Mojave
High taxes and out of control entitlement spending is bad, so higher taxes and even more entitlement spending is better.

FT logic in a nutshell.

Liar.

Read the book.

464 posted on 02/17/2008 10:40:13 AM PST by Turret Gunner A20 (of the)
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To: Hostage
When you’ve read the opinions of the Supreme Court justices in the 1895 decision, get back to me.
465 posted on 02/17/2008 10:42:11 AM PST by lucysmom
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To: lucysmom
How FairTaxers can claim their tax scheme complies with the vision of the founding fathers, with a clear conscience, is beyond me.

That's nothing new -- so is everything else about the Fair Tax.

466 posted on 02/17/2008 10:42:39 AM PST by Turret Gunner A20 (of the)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

The President’s Advisory Panel for Federal Tax Reform cited the rebate as one of their chief concerns when analyzing their national sales tax, stating that it would be “the largest (entitlement program) in American history”, and contending that it would “make most American families dependent on monthly checks from the federal government”.

http://www.taxreformpanel.gov/final-report/TaxReform_Ch9.pdf


467 posted on 02/17/2008 10:46:40 AM PST by Mojave
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To: dvan
Maybe they should just take all our income and supply us what they think we need to live on?

They're already trying that.

That's one of the thiings the FT is tryig to put a stop to -- buy shining the light on some of the taxes the government is hiding from the people ans helping them understand just how much the government is stealing from them.

468 posted on 02/17/2008 10:47:18 AM PST by Turret Gunner A20 (of the)
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To: Turret Gunner A20
Ho Hum -—— Read the book.
It's only a bible to you guys.

For the rest of us it's just a book written by a little known hick radio host that he's obviously never bothered to do research on before writing it...

Boortz is Linders sock puppet

469 posted on 02/17/2008 10:48:05 AM PST by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: foxfield
Are you saying xcamel posts on DU? Just wondering.

See post #371.

And quit trying to make trouble.

470 posted on 02/17/2008 10:48:57 AM PST by cowboyway ("No damn man kills me and lives." -- Nathan Bedford Forrest)
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To: eleni121

Oh it could get worse. Have you ever been to Europe?


471 posted on 02/17/2008 10:49:29 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (John McCain - The Manchurian Candidate? http://www.usvetdsp.com/manchuan.htm)
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To: Turret Gunner A20
That's one of the thiings the FT is tryig to put a stop to

By establishing the largest entitlement program in human history.

472 posted on 02/17/2008 10:50:10 AM PST by Mojave
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To: Turret Gunner A20
to =too

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473 posted on 02/17/2008 10:51:55 AM PST by Turret Gunner A20 (of the)
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To: Mojave

Liar


474 posted on 02/17/2008 10:52:29 AM PST by Turret Gunner A20 (of the)
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To: xcamel
apparently your thermostat doesn’t go up very high.

Proof positive that the only defense of the INCOME TAX is incessant blistering personal attacks.

475 posted on 02/17/2008 10:54:13 AM PST by cowboyway ("No damn man kills me and lives." -- Nathan Bedford Forrest)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

The President’s Advisory Panel for Federal Tax Reform cited the rebate as one of their chief concerns when analyzing their national sales tax, stating that it would be “the largest (entitlement program) in American history”, and contending that it would “make most American families dependent on monthly checks from the federal government”.

http://www.taxreformpanel.gov/final-report/TaxReform_Ch9.pdf


476 posted on 02/17/2008 10:54:19 AM PST by Mojave
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To: Mojave

HAHAHAHAHAHA!! That’s too dumb to comment on. HAHAHA


477 posted on 02/17/2008 10:56:18 AM PST by Turret Gunner A20 (of the)
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To: Turret Gunner A20
deNile is not just a river in Egypt. The information they already have on YOU is not only coming from the IRS it comes from a 100 different places.

Did you do a census last time?

Did you open an IRA/401k EVER?

Do you have a drivers license?

Are you licensed as a contractor?

Do you have kids in school? Do you have a bank account?

Do you buy things at the grocery store and use your club card?

Do you get emails?

Do you buy and sell stocks?

Do you own real estate?

Do you have CREDIT anywhere?

$100 buck and your name and address and I can find out all of that about you in less than an hour. No sir your privacy issues is a nonsequitor.

478 posted on 02/17/2008 10:57:08 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (John McCain - The Manchurian Candidate? http://www.usvetdsp.com/manchuan.htm)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

“the largest (entitlement program) in American history”


479 posted on 02/17/2008 10:57:32 AM PST by Mojave
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To: Always Right
Another lie. There might be a few that weren't threads posted by fairtaxers, but almost all of them were pro-fairtaxer created threads.

More specifically, a lot, and on some threads most, of the 'posted replies' are xcamel and yourself. In addition, it doesn't take much reading to see who starts most of the vitriolic personal attacks.

Mo betta?

480 posted on 02/17/2008 10:57:56 AM PST by cowboyway ("No damn man kills me and lives." -- Nathan Bedford Forrest)
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