How is it that we find ourselves in this sorry predicament? (this will probably be controversial)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVodI85NLMQ ^ | 2/11/08 | lily

[incindiary]

I know that many people are extremely frustrated with politics these days and the current state of the Republican party. Many people are sad that their first-choice candidate dropped out, then their second-choice, and they keep having to compromise more and more until we get to the point where we feel pressured to vote for a liberal, open-borders, unconstitutional insider politician who we ordinarily would never dream of voting for. But have you asked yourself: how is it that we find ourselves in this predicament? And is there anything more to it than meets the eye?

I know that anything that remotely resembles a conspiracy theory is not usually accepted on this site (by the owner and many freepers) but we're getting closer to the point of losing our republic, so I hope that in light of that, you will let this thread stay, and at least consider what is being said.

I wanted to share an excerpt from a speech, by G. Edward Griffin. In this portion of the speech, he talks about what is happening in our country today, and why it is that we find ourselves feeling forced to pick a candidate that is not much different than the opponent. And the point is, until people become aware of what is happening, it is just going to continue, and get worse - because we are being willing participants in this game which is destroying not only the GOP, but our country. We are being enablers, and I think that when more people realize that, they will not allow themselves to throw all principle out the window, they will take a stand and fight to restore our values and our beloved republic.

I put together a little intro in this video, and following that is the excerpt of the speech. Here's the link:

Do we have a one-party system masquerading as two?

It's about 5 minutes long total.

Thanks and God bless!!

[incindiary]

Let Freedom Ping! :-]

[GiovannaNicoletta]

bookmark for later

[sushiman]

Illuminati

[Moral Hazard]

“How is it that we find ourselves in this sorry predicament?”

It’s called Iowa, and it sucks.

[The Duke]

Do we have a one-party system masquerading as two?

Personally I believe so. In fact, I've come to call it the "status quo" party.

It's the old "good cop / bad cop" game being played masterfully on the entire nation. All the while we sheep are being sheared regularly.

[Iris7]

A sufficient explanation is human nature (people judge themselves by their intentions and others by their actions) and the historically unique modern system of propaganda.

Since “conspiracy” can explain anything it can explain nothing.

[incindiary]

That's a good name for it, I think I'll start calling it that. :-D Did you watch the video?

[devere]

The people are still asleep.
They believe whatever the MSM tells them, in preference to what their own eyes tell them.

[incindiary]

Human nature is part of it, yes, but the point made in the video is that there is a deliberate manipulation going on, and that the parties are controlled by a group that has it set up so they win either way... (I don't know if you watched it, but I wanted to hear some thoughts on that from you guys)

[incindiary]

Sadly, I think you're right. I talk to people, like my aunt and uncle, and it's so frustrating because they're the types that rarely use the internet, so the only info they get is from the MSM, and it seems they believe whatever they're told. I do think that more and more people are waking up, but too many are blissfully unaware.

[TigersEye]

This post, by joanie-f, is an excellent answer to the question.

[hosepipe]

The Queen of Hearts is in with his nibs the Jack of Spades..
Off with all the republicans heads.. even the Arizona Joker..

[endthematrix]

NONE DARE CALL IT CONSPIRACY

[DoughtyOne]

[incindiary]

That was an excellent post, and I applaud her for that. But I'm not sure if I agree that the GOP will come back to its conservative roots in the future. If they have been hijacked by people who do not believe in true conservatism and the constitution, then that is the problem and we either have to elect someone within the Republican party who IS true to the constitution, limited government, liberty and sovereignty (in my view there's only one who fits that description, Dr. Ron Paul) or there needs to be a new party.

Anyway... I gotta go to bed, but thanks for your replies and I'll see ya!

[restornu]

Do we have a one-party system masquerading as two?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVodI85NLMQ

You can see the whole speech here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw6zhI

I have both books!

[tcostell]

It isn't really a "conspiracy", but the two parties in government have figured out that part of the pie is better than none at all. So they have colluded to take the power and authority away from the citizenry themselves and vest it in the government, whoever is in charge.

This is why all government eventually leads to tyranny, and why the founders never wanted anyone to have a vote if they didn't pay taxes.

They designed a brilliant system of checks and balances, and over time we let the lawyers erode it away. Now we're subjects again, not citizens. We've traded our one tyrant 300 miles away for 3,000 tyrants, one mile away. And I'm afraid the only way we're going to get rid of the new tyrants, is the same way we got rid of the last one.

[incindiary]

I want to get that book! Another one I want to get is Griffin's book, "The Creature from Jekyll Island"...

lol@hosepipe and D.O!

[restornu]

Just can’t get into Ron Paul but those history books are interesting!