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1 posted on 01/22/2008 7:58:48 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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Kate Michelman column sounds almost like a concession. Ping to Today show list.


2 posted on 01/22/2008 7:59:33 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Finally! Conservative comedy: http://youtube.com/newsbusted)
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White upper middle class eugenics femiNazi. Why would I care what she has to say?


3 posted on 01/22/2008 8:04:21 AM PST by Mercat (Kennedys: Can't drive, can't swim, can't fly, can't ski, but they know what's best for us.)
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They absolutely are defeated.

As evidenced by my SIL who used to drive around with a pro-choice sticker on her car, (who would do that?), anyway she took it off this year, saying she was embarrassed, and did not want her clients to see it.

A small and silly story maybe, but shame is a wonderful thing sometimes.

5 posted on 01/22/2008 8:08:48 AM PST by roses of sharon
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At the very least, they did not succeed in shutting down the debate. That is gratifying.


7 posted on 01/22/2008 8:19:07 AM PST by Lorianne
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Don’t suppose that they would consider that they were, and are, wrong, repent, and come into the Light?

Didn’t think so. Then they would have to realize their whole life was wasted on lie. It would be funny if their tragedy hadn’t affected the innocent.

8 posted on 01/22/2008 8:20:03 AM PST by chesley (Where's the omelet? -- Orwell)
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Pro-choice forces must adjust to regain the moral high ground.

The pro-choice forces never had the moral high ground. With the ultrasound technology available today it is simply more obvious.

10 posted on 01/22/2008 8:35:09 AM PST by knuthom
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This is the telling quote:

Advocates of choice have had a hard time dealing with the increased visibility of the fetus. The preferred strategy is still to ignore it and try to shift the conversation back to women. At times, this makes us appear insensitive, a bit too pragmatic in a world where the desire to live more communitarian and "life-affirming" lives is palpable. To some people, pro-choice values seem to have been unaffected by the desire to save the whales and the trees, to respect animal life and to end violence at all levels. Pope John Paul II got that, and coined the term "culture of life." President Bush adopted it, and the slogan, as much as it pains us to admit it, moved some hearts and minds. Supporting abortion is tough to fit into this package.

I believe that the anti-life crowd has bee nhoisted on the petard of their own arguments. Lovely to see. But really, the best argument is the simplest one: if we must err, then why not err on the side of life?

My take on the pro-death crowd is that they are simply following the Marxist trope that individual lives mean nothing. To believe otherwise simply yanks the rug out from under their entire raison d'etre.

11 posted on 01/22/2008 8:36:37 AM PST by Noumenon (The only thing that prevents liberals from loading us all into cattle cars is the power to do it)
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One of my 'guilty' pleasures is reading the trashy celeb websites. In the past week or so, on PerezHilton (and other sites as well) there was a post of Pam Anderson 'no longer being pregnant.' Anderson, is currently involved in yet another messy divorce and there was some questioning whether she was trully pregnant or just using a fake pregnancy for divorce leverage...who knows.

For some reason known only to PR types, the 'no longer pregnant' was released the entertainment media outlets. Perez had it on his site, and his readers can comment. And they did. I would guess it was about 90% calling out Anderson on the irony of promoting PETA yet 'killing her unborn child.' Its not a mass of cells, its a baby...abortion is murder...the commentary was stunningly pro-life. There were posters who related how they hated knowing their moms had abortions of their siblings...it was a sad commentary, yet for me (a Pro-Lifer) uplifting to know that alot (who you wouldn't think) 'get it.' For the record a few tried to state 'buts it legal' and they got smacked down too.

I know its anecdotal, but I really believe it to be a small glimpse of how abortion is now trully perceived.

12 posted on 01/22/2008 9:00:31 AM PST by PennsylvaniaMom (I do not want people to be agreeable, as it saves me the trouble of liking them. Jane Austen.)
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and this is at a time when they have the greatest chance at getting a feminist president


13 posted on 01/22/2008 9:07:44 AM PST by ari-freedom (The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government)
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If pro-choice values are to regain the moral high ground, genuine discussion about these challenges needs to take place within the movement.

OK Kate, let's start with this: How is inflicting pain and death on an innocent, helpless human being for profit, moral?

16 posted on 01/22/2008 9:29:06 AM PST by Tribune7 (Dems want to rob from the poor to give to the rich)
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When Scott Peterson murdered his pregnant wife, I recall the discomfort of pro-choice advocates regarding whether or not he should be charged with a double murder.

To me pro-choice has never been anything more than an opportunity to absolve oneself from responsibility...a position liberals love to find themselves in. It really should be called “anti-life” instead of pro-choice.

Anti-religion lest they be held accountable to moral conduct. Anti-school vouchers lest the school system be held accountable for poor performance. No criticism of the “less fortunate” lest they be exposed for their poor choices leading to their lesser fortune.


17 posted on 01/22/2008 9:36:03 AM PST by klgator
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When Kate Michelman resigns from NARAL and repudiates them, then I’ll believe her sincerity.
20 posted on 01/22/2008 10:06:18 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Ron Paul put the cuckoo in my Cocoa Puffs)
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Sounds to me like the abortion movement is fresh out of ideas, inspiration, and justification. And Michelman looks positively terrible in that photo.

Michelman and Kissling want a deeper dialog, but they don’t realize that that’s dangerous enemy territory from their point of view. If they dare tread away from the ‘60s “rights rage” milieu to that of today’s responsibility orientation, they’re going to find that devoid of both offense and defense. Even Big Media can’t cover for them there. In short, they’re painted into a horrendous corner.

And Jonah Goldberg has a piece on the LAT’s opinion page? I heard there were changes there, but this is refreshing, albeit some of it unintentional.

Thanks, GL.
p.


22 posted on 01/22/2008 12:04:54 PM PST by Paul_B
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bump for later


27 posted on 01/22/2008 8:18:54 PM PST by BallparkBoys
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Pray for an end to abortion and the conversion of America to a mindset of life!

29 posted on 01/22/2008 8:49:49 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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And yet Planned Parenthood still gets government funds and builds abortion mills using third-party stooge contractors.

When Premeditated Butcherhood gets shut down and their bankroll dries up, I’ll believe the battle has been won. Not until then.


31 posted on 01/22/2008 9:00:44 PM PST by Tall_Texan (No Third Term For Bill Clinton!)
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