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U.S. Carrier Kitty Hawk was in 28-hour Standoff with Chinese Submarine
Yonhap News ^ | 01/16/08 | Chung Juho

Posted on 01/16/2008 12:53:42 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster

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U.S. Carrier Kitty Hawk was in 28-hour Standoff with Chinese Submarine

Tense battle-ready standoff in Taiwan Strait

(Hong Kong=Yonhap News) Chung Juho = U.S. aircraft carrier Kitty Hawk (and its battle group) had 28-hour battle-ready standoff with a Chinese submarine and a missile destroyer in Taiwan Strait last November, it has been revealed.

This was the first military standoff between U.S. and China since the Taiwan Strait Crisis in 1996.

According to Jan. 16 dispatch by China Times in Taiwan, on Nov. 23 last year, Kitty Hawk battle group was en route to Japan after China refused its port call in Hong Kong, entering Taiwan Strait instead of using its normal route. China immediately dispatched a Song-class submarine which happened to be in the neighborhood, and had it track the battle group.

China also sent a missile destroyer Shenzhen from its Southern Fleet which was readying itself in Hainan Island for the (upcoming) visit to Japan, joining the Kitty Hawk watch.

The battle group with the carrier and its eight escort ships were sailing northward at an even distance away (from China and Taiwan,) and the Chinese submarine and the destroyer were following and watching the battle group from the western side along the Chinese mainland.

Carrier Kitty Hawk was alerted by a P3-C anti-submarine plane from U.S. forces in Japan that a Chinese submarine and its destroyer were following them. The group stopped sailing and went into battle-ready mode, sending out warplanes to protect the fleet.

After tense 28-hour standoff, the battle group was able to return to Yokosuka base in Japan only in Nov. 24.

According to an U.S. military source, the Chinese submarine sneaked into Taiwan Strait from west after taking a detour around Taiwan's southern shore from east, in an effort to monitor Kitty Hawk battle group. S-2T anti-submarine plane from Taiwanese navy was conducting the regular patrol in the area, but was not able to detect the submarine.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; chinesenavy; duncanhunter; hongkong; hunter; kittyhawk; maritime; russia; standoff; taiwan; tlr; uskittyhawk; usskittyhawk
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To: max americana

that is what I call a Yellow Submarine


161 posted on 01/16/2008 11:09:25 AM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: snowrip
We give the Chinese far more valuable technology and intelligence through our university system every day of the week.

But, something I don't understand is why there wasn't an automated system to destroy any sensitive information.

-paridel
162 posted on 01/16/2008 12:01:02 PM PST by Paridel
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To: DoughtyOne

IF you are saying we have been overtly stupid about our own security, I strongly agree.

I just believe it has been calculated, deliberate, treasonous.


163 posted on 01/16/2008 12:04:15 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: DoughtyOne

I think Klintoon’s deliberate trashing of the military alone would prove the above.


164 posted on 01/16/2008 12:28:03 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Legally there is no problem. However, there is heavy political undertones. China hates to see U.S. carrier battle group sailing in and out of Taiwan Strait. China think that it is their backyard and U.S. shouldn't be there.

And in a few years or decades when the Chinese Navy is operating in the Gulf of Mexico, how will we react?

165 posted on 01/16/2008 12:36:55 PM PST by FreedomCalls (Texas: "We close at five.")
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To: Quix

Quix, I’m by no means saying it’s impossible. In certain ways I am very much convinced our enemies are preparing for war. We’re on the same wave length, even if at a little different focus. I appreciate your view on this.

BTW, I agree with your next post as well. Missile and MIRV technology would also be firm proof of his actions.


166 posted on 01/16/2008 1:14:22 PM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: cva66snipe
I don't think the security would be such a problem. I'm not an expert on naval warfare, but I think the bigger issue would be the submarine and mine threat in the straits, and the ground-based air threat from Hainan, which is only 1,200 miles or so away. There's also the possible IRBM threat, though you probably have that at Perth, too.

China's best strategy, if we stationed a carrier group there, would be to commence hostilities when those carriers are in port, and neutralize them there.
167 posted on 01/16/2008 1:17:01 PM PST by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
I think we should not spend a dime with them... and we hurt russia when we boycotted their olympics... and they still fume over it. We should stop trading with them also... let them buy rooskie technology. Of course ‘toon GAVE them everything they wanted in return for campaign $$$$$$$$$$$$.

LLS

168 posted on 01/16/2008 1:42:02 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims and vote Fred!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

And of course there is a media blackout...


169 posted on 01/16/2008 1:50:10 PM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: FreedomCalls

That depends upon whether the Chinese navy will be able to speak Spanish well enough to communicate with us.


170 posted on 01/16/2008 2:59:45 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Jeff Head

Jeff,
This is an email I received today.

January 16, 2008
AFA members and Congressional Staffers, many of you have commented favorably on the “elevator speech numbers” I sent you.

It’s January ... so here are some revealing data on the “State of the Air Force.”

Fighter Aircraft - average age: 20 years; average flight hours 5400+

Bomber Aircraft - average age: 32 years; average flight hours 11,400+

Tanker aircraft - average age: 44 years; average flight hours 18,900+

C2 Fleet - average age: 22 years old; average flight hours 32,000

ISR Fleet (excluding UAV) - average age: 30 years old; average flight hours 18,000

Key Groundings/Restrictions

F-15A-D - 163 of 441 are grounded for structural issues

B-52 - 6 are grounded - past due PDM grounding date - authorized a one-time flight to the bone-yard.

EC-130 - 2 of 14 are grounded due to center wing box cracks

C-130E - 3 are grounded and 13 are restricted due to Service life and wing cracks

KC-135Es - 26 of 86 are grounded due to engine strut corrosion.

AC-130U - 4 of 17 are restricted due to lack of 30MM weapons

B-2 - entire fleet is restricted due to windshield bolt hole cracks

C-5s - 39 of 108 are restricted due to crown skin restrictions (weight limiting)

Additionally:

219 of 223 F-15Es have training restrictions due to vertical stab structural issues

Majority of Block 25/30/32, block 40/42, and block 50/52 F-16s need structural modifications

All 356 A-10s will need new wings and new aircraft skin - many have landing gear issues ... and all need new engines.

C-130Hs have Center Wing Box issues

C-32As have bulkhead structural issues.

Looking across the FYDP - between 2008-2013 - the Air Force will divest itself of 749 aircraft and procure only 698 aircraft (260 of which are UAVs).

To give you the idea of the scale of all of this:

When the AF grounded its 600+ F-15 fleet, it grounded more aircraft than the entire F/A Navy. The F-15s it presently has grounded equate to a bit more than 3 aircraft carriers of aircraft.

The 356 A-10s that need renovations equates to more aircraft than the fixed wing USMC

The Air Force has about 5800 aircraft ... and presently about one-third are either grounded or restricted in one way or another
The central important part of this data is that this is not a third-world Air Force ... And the question we should ask ourselves, why don’t we fund it to ensure our children and grandchildren are safe and secure?

2nd Subject -

Chief of Staff White Paper - Gen Moseley published an exceptional White Paper ... which lays out the strategic foundations for the Air Force of the future. If you haven’t seen it, you can find it on the AFA website: http://dailyreport.afa.org/NR/rdonlyres/868196FC-AABB-4230-84EA-F5358B0C4B34/0/CSAF_white_paper.pdf

My favorite quotes in it are:

“No modern war has been won without air superiority. No future war will be won without air, space and cyberspace superiority.” Page 2.

“With the oldest inventory in history, battered by 17 years of continuous combat, the Air Force’s ability to fulfill its missions is already being tested.” Page 2

“... our reliance on assured access to space will increase exponentially.” Page 8

“The Air Force is smaller in December 2007 than it was in December 1941.” Page 10
For your consideration.

Mike

Michael M. Dunn, Lt Gen (Ret)
AFA President/CEO


171 posted on 01/16/2008 3:02:17 PM PST by B4Ranch (( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ))
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Why do the Chi-coms dislike the Kittyhawk so much?? Isn’t that the ship they blocked from port in Hong Kong?

Does “kittyhawk” have some negative meaning in Chinese??


172 posted on 01/16/2008 3:20:51 PM PST by SomeCallMeTim
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Seems like a lot of folks are getting rather brave lately.


173 posted on 01/16/2008 3:27:20 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
I tend to believe that the stories put out so far by the Administration are indeed disinformation. To gull the American public into quiessence about China just as did the Clinton Administration.

Hence, this leak undercuts their disinformation spin.

It needs to be taken seriously.

174 posted on 01/16/2008 3:36:29 PM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Non-Sequitur

Well, in the good old days they could develop weapons in conjunction with South Africa and Israel. I suppose no more.


175 posted on 01/16/2008 3:37:40 PM PST by MSF BU (++)
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To: B4Ranch
Bump.

Valuable post.

176 posted on 01/16/2008 3:42:09 PM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Paul Ross

The disinformation would be the statement that the Tiwanese aircraft was unable to spot the submarine. If it were true, we would claim it was not; so, claiming it is probably means that it isn’t.


177 posted on 01/16/2008 3:42:43 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Syncro

No.


178 posted on 01/16/2008 3:46:23 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Christian Discernment and The Lord Tell Me that President Huckabee Will Be A Disaster For Our Nation)
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