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...Suppose further that you are not a complete idiot.

Isn't that inconsistent with the premise, that I'm an editor at the New York Times?

1 posted on 01/13/2008 6:06:25 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets
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They would be more productive in documenting crimes by crazed illegal aliens.


2 posted on 01/13/2008 6:08:34 PM PST by ArtyFO (I love to smoke cigars when I adjust artillery fire at the moonbat loonery.)
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I hope they follow this hit piece on the military with a full count of all the murders and rapes committed by illegal aliens in our 50 states. It’s about time some hard-hitting newspaper tells the American people how many casualties we have suffered in this invasion of illegals.


3 posted on 01/13/2008 6:09:46 PM PST by kittymyrib
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Wasn’t it the Dems and the liberal media that wanted to bring them home?


4 posted on 01/13/2008 6:10:13 PM PST by Brilliant
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This is a shameless ploy at laying the groundwork for demanding gun posession be denied to our troops upon returning to the United States. I don’t doubt there will be problems that can be found. We’re talking about a large group of people. Still, are their infractions far worse than the public at large? I seroiusly doubt it.

This is the way the major media players treated the Vietnam veterans upon return. They slandered them profusely, make their transition much more complex, and even convinced some employers that it was a terrible idea to put them to work.

Imagine if folks had treated the troops after WWII that way.

This is despicable, but then what did anyone expect in light of the source.


5 posted on 01/13/2008 6:10:39 PM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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If my memory is correct, there was similar yellow journalism near the end of the Vietnam War.


6 posted on 01/13/2008 6:11:43 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (You can't be serious about national security unless you're serious about border security)
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Lies, damned lies, and statistics.


8 posted on 01/13/2008 6:12:35 PM PST by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory. ------ www.gohunter08.com ------)
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The Times feeds the delusions of liberals 24/7.


11 posted on 01/13/2008 6:14:43 PM PST by twntaipan (Lying is the Democrat's native tongue.)
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I got this story earlier and actually e-mailed the times and told them how disgusting their story was.
12 posted on 01/13/2008 6:17:09 PM PST by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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E-Mail for Letters to the Editor, New York Times. They won’t print it but somebody there will read it:

letters@nytimes.com.

13 posted on 01/13/2008 6:17:33 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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Shades of 'Hawaii 5-0'.

VN vet criminals were made serial.
14 posted on 01/13/2008 6:17:55 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul politicians. The Ship of State needs a good scrubbing!)
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The MSM never changes. They tried to portray damned near every Viet Nam vet as a drug crazed violent loon. Same tactic, different war. This time, however, we have the power of the Internet to fight the mendacity of these media Bolsheviks.
15 posted on 01/13/2008 6:18:16 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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‘Do the math: the 121 alleged instances of homicide identified by the Times, out of a population of 700,000, works out to a rate of 17 per 100,000—quite a bit lower than the overall national rate of around 27.’

The author expresses the obvious fact that the homicide rate for returning veterans is lower than the overall national rate.

However, he excludes several factors that we should consider.

All military members are selectively screened and have ‘higher’ standards than your typical murderer.

Service members have an High School equivalent in education, lower criminal background, and have been psychological screened to be determined fit to be in the military.

If the authors point is to initial support the military is clear, however adding the factors I suggested and if you get a problem, or symptom that we need to address, and that will benefit the military in the long run.

17 posted on 01/13/2008 6:25:24 PM PST by BGHater ('A Nation's best defense is an educated citizenry'-Thomas Jefferson)
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I took awhile, but eventually the unemployment rate for VietVets was statistically meaningless.

In 1987, the unemployment rate of the population as a whole averaged 6.175 %
As of 1987, the unemployment rate of all Vietnam era veterans (in-country and not in-country) was 8%.

The same with homelessness,crime,addiction etc ( why gun ownership was even mentioned escapes me)

over time, the Viet Vets mainstreamed, so to speak.

20 posted on 01/13/2008 6:33:00 PM PST by stylin19a
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Remember all those movies and TV shows where all the Vietnam vets were drug-crazed murderers? The lefties at the Times are re-living their youth.


22 posted on 01/13/2008 6:51:12 PM PST by ozzymandus
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Let the propaganda games begin !


23 posted on 01/13/2008 6:54:26 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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“Decades of studies on the problems of Vietnam veterans have established links between combat trauma and higher rates of... gun ownership...”!!!!!
“Decades of studies on the problems of Vietnam veterans have established links between combat trauma and higher rates of... gun ownership...”!!!!!
I don’t know about you, but I gotta admit, as a baby killer from way back, that’s the first time I’ve ever been accused of having a higher rate of gun ownership. I swear the only ‘psychological injuries’ I can think of are when I read drivell like that from another pencil necked journalist outta Columbia! Just Damn


25 posted on 01/13/2008 6:59:31 PM PST by CRBDeuce (an armed society is a polite society)
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Just gotta be a promo for Winter Soldier II...and the New Yuk Times is flying solo now, they don’t have Dan Rather or Walter Kronkite to back up their lies


27 posted on 01/13/2008 7:04:17 PM PST by CRBDeuce (an armed society is a polite society)
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This is a slander of every vet.


31 posted on 01/13/2008 7:13:02 PM PST by bvw
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I wonder if there’s any case for a class action for libel and slander of vets as a special class. There is surely economic and social harm to individual vets as a direct result of such calumny. False lights slander.


32 posted on 01/13/2008 7:15:05 PM PST by bvw
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.....theme of a front page article in today's New York Times: "Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles." The article reports on what must have been a major effort by the Times to comb through news reports from across the country......

Just another 'so called news publication' fit for the garbage can
Click the Pic

33 posted on 01/13/2008 7:16:32 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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