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Crazed Veterans Spark Nationwide Crime Wave
Powerlineblog ^ | January 13, 2008 | John Hinderaker

Posted on 01/13/2008 6:06:24 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets

Crazed Veterans Spark Nationwide Crime Wave

That's the theme of a front page article in today's New York Times: "Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles." The article reports on what must have been a major effort by the Times to comb through news reports from across the country, identifying and tabulating instances where servicemen who returned from Iraq or Afghanistan were charged with some form of homicide. The Times summarizes the results of its research:

Town by town across the country, headlines have been telling similar stories. Lakewood, Wash.: “Family Blames Iraq After Son Kills Wife.” Pierre, S.D.: “Soldier Charged With Murder Testifies About Postwar Stress.” Colorado Springs: “Iraq War Vets Suspected in Two Slayings, Crime Ring.” Individually, these are stories of local crimes, gut-wrenching postscripts to the war for the military men, their victims and their communities. Taken together, they paint the patchwork picture of a quiet phenomenon, tracing a cross-country trail of death and heartbreak.

The New York Times found 121 cases in which veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan committed a killing in this country, or were charged with one, after their return from war.

The Times article goes on just about forever--it is nine pages long on the web--but it consists almost entirely of anecdotes about a handful of the 121 alleged crimes. The stories are indeed sad, and some of the soldiers and veterans involved no doubt did suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder. Still, the Times' approach is astonishingly unsystematic, especially since the paper takes seriously the idea that the U.S. military may be responsible for the supposed crime wave:

At various times, the question of whether the military shares some blame for these killings gets posed. When it is not recounting stories of crimes committed by servicemen, always from a point of view sympathetic to the idea that service in a theater of war was a contributing factor--"plagued by nightmares about an Iraqi civilian killed by his unit, [Mr. Sepi] often needed alcohol to fall asleep"--the paper waxes pretentious:

Decades of studies on the problems of Vietnam veterans have established links between combat trauma and higher rates of unemployment, homelessness, gun ownership, child abuse, domestic violence, substance abuse — and criminality. On a less scientific level, such links have long been known. “The connection between war and crime is unfortunately very ancient,” said Dr. Shay, the V.A. psychiatrist and author. “The first thing that Odysseus did after he left Troy was to launch a pirate raid on Ismarus. Ending up in trouble with the law has always been a final common pathway for some portion of psychologically injured veterans.”

Now put yourself in the place of a newspaper editor. Suppose you are asked to evaluate whether your paper should run a long article on a nationwide epidemic of murders committed by veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan--a crime wave that, your reporter suggests, constitutes a "cross-country trail of death and heartbreak." Suppose that the reporter who proposes to write the article says it will be a searing indictment of the U.S. military's inadequate attention to post-traumatic stress disorder. Suppose further that you are not a complete idiot.

Given that last assumption, I'm pretty sure your first question will be: "How does the murder rate among veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan compare to the murder rate for young American men generally?" Remarkably, this is a question the New York Times did not think to ask. Or, if the Times asked the question and figured out the answer, the paper preferred not to report it.

As of 2005, the homicide rate for Americans aged 18-24, the cohort into which most soldiers fall, was around 27 per 100,000. (The rate for men in that age range would be much higher, of course, since men commit around 88% of homicides. But since most soldiers are also men, I gave civilians the benefit of the doubt and considered gender a wash.)

Next we need to know how many servicemen have returned from Iraq or Afghanistan. A definitive number is no doubt available, but the only hard figure I've seen is that as of last October, moe than 500,000 U.S. Army personnel had served in either Iraq or Afghanistan. Other sources peg the total number of personnel from all branches of the military who have served in the two theaters much higher, e.g. 750,000, 650,000 as of February 2007, or 1,280,000. For the sake of argument, let's say that 700,000 soldiers, Marines, airmen and sailors have returned to the U.S. from service in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Do the math: the 121 alleged instances of homicide identified by the Times, out of a population of 700,000, works out to a rate of 17 per 100,000--quite a bit lower than the overall national rate of around 27.

But wait! The national rate of 27 homicides per 100,000 is an annual rate, whereas the Times' 121 alleged crimes were committed over a period of six years. Which means that, as far as the Times' research shows, the rate of homicides committed by military personnel who have returned from Iraq or Afghanistan is only a fraction of the homicide rate for other Americans aged 18 to 24. Somehow, the Times managed to publish nine pages of anecdotes about the violence wreaked by returning servicemen without ever mentioning this salient fact.

I've got a suggestion for the editors of the Times: next time, why don't they undertake a research project to identify all murders and other forms of homicide committed (or allegedly committed--no finding of guilt necessary!) by people who are, or recently have been, employed by newspaper companies? They could write a long article in which selected crimes allegedly committed by reporters, editors and typesetters are recounted in detail, accompanied by speculation about whether newspaper employment was a contributing factor in each case. No need to wonder whether reporters, editors and typesetters commit homicide at a rate any different from the rest of the population--a single murder is too many!

Here's another idea: the Times' story on veterans' crimes repeatedly focused on the role of alcoholism, which the paper associated with the stresses of military service. How about a survey that compares alcoholism rates among reporters and soldiers? Just on a hunch, I'll wager a dollar that the alcoholism rate for reporters is higher.

It's bad enough that the New York Times smears our military personnel when they are serving overseas. Can't they at least leave them alone once they return home?


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; enemedia; msm; newyorkslimes; newyorktimes; nyt; oefveterans; oifveterans; ptsd; quackery; veterans
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...Suppose further that you are not a complete idiot.

Isn't that inconsistent with the premise, that I'm an editor at the New York Times?

1 posted on 01/13/2008 6:06:25 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

They would be more productive in documenting crimes by crazed illegal aliens.


2 posted on 01/13/2008 6:08:34 PM PST by ArtyFO (I love to smoke cigars when I adjust artillery fire at the moonbat loonery.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I hope they follow this hit piece on the military with a full count of all the murders and rapes committed by illegal aliens in our 50 states. It’s about time some hard-hitting newspaper tells the American people how many casualties we have suffered in this invasion of illegals.


3 posted on 01/13/2008 6:09:46 PM PST by kittymyrib
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Wasn’t it the Dems and the liberal media that wanted to bring them home?


4 posted on 01/13/2008 6:10:13 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

This is a shameless ploy at laying the groundwork for demanding gun posession be denied to our troops upon returning to the United States. I don’t doubt there will be problems that can be found. We’re talking about a large group of people. Still, are their infractions far worse than the public at large? I seroiusly doubt it.

This is the way the major media players treated the Vietnam veterans upon return. They slandered them profusely, make their transition much more complex, and even convinced some employers that it was a terrible idea to put them to work.

Imagine if folks had treated the troops after WWII that way.

This is despicable, but then what did anyone expect in light of the source.


5 posted on 01/13/2008 6:10:39 PM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: abb; SandRat; river rat; ExTexasRedhead; JulieRNR21; SJackson; Alouette; AuntB; fieldmarshaldj; ...

If my memory is correct, there was similar yellow journalism near the end of the Vietnam War.


6 posted on 01/13/2008 6:11:43 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (You can't be serious about national security unless you're serious about border security)
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To: ArtyFO

“They would be more productive in documenting crimes by crazed illegal aliens.”

That would not fit their agenda. But of course we all know the slimes has no agenda. /sarc


7 posted on 01/13/2008 6:11:46 PM PST by driftdiver
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Lies, damned lies, and statistics.


8 posted on 01/13/2008 6:12:35 PM PST by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory. ------ www.gohunter08.com ------)
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To: geopyg

Because the media couldn’t make America lose the war - now they want to create wild fantasies of insane bands of war veterans going around America raping and pillaging in the fashion of Genghis Khan.


9 posted on 01/13/2008 6:14:34 PM PST by Reagan79 (Ralph Stanley & The Clinch Mountain Boys)
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To: Brilliant

Yep. And evidently that wasn’t good enough.

Frankly, there have been times in our history when folks would have burned an institution to the ground that tried to pull this disgusting stuff.

The Times should be ashamed. This was approved by a senior editor and published in order to slander our men and women in the armed services. It is despicable.


10 posted on 01/13/2008 6:14:42 PM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

The Times feeds the delusions of liberals 24/7.


11 posted on 01/13/2008 6:14:43 PM PST by twntaipan (Lying is the Democrat's native tongue.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
I got this story earlier and actually e-mailed the times and told them how disgusting their story was.
12 posted on 01/13/2008 6:17:09 PM PST by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
E-Mail for Letters to the Editor, New York Times. They won’t print it but somebody there will read it:

letters@nytimes.com.

13 posted on 01/13/2008 6:17:33 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Shades of 'Hawaii 5-0'.

VN vet criminals were made serial.
14 posted on 01/13/2008 6:17:55 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul politicians. The Ship of State needs a good scrubbing!)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
The MSM never changes. They tried to portray damned near every Viet Nam vet as a drug crazed violent loon. Same tactic, different war. This time, however, we have the power of the Internet to fight the mendacity of these media Bolsheviks.
15 posted on 01/13/2008 6:18:16 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: DoughtyOne
The Times should be ashamed.

The Times should be shamed...by every decent American. 'Tis time to flood their e-mail and post inboxes with some well penned rebuttals. Also, call to attention their intellectual dishonesty. Ridicule them. Shame the lying b@stards.
16 posted on 01/13/2008 6:24:10 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
‘Do the math: the 121 alleged instances of homicide identified by the Times, out of a population of 700,000, works out to a rate of 17 per 100,000—quite a bit lower than the overall national rate of around 27.’

The author expresses the obvious fact that the homicide rate for returning veterans is lower than the overall national rate.

However, he excludes several factors that we should consider.

All military members are selectively screened and have ‘higher’ standards than your typical murderer.

Service members have an High School equivalent in education, lower criminal background, and have been psychological screened to be determined fit to be in the military.

If the authors point is to initial support the military is clear, however adding the factors I suggested and if you get a problem, or symptom that we need to address, and that will benefit the military in the long run.

17 posted on 01/13/2008 6:25:24 PM PST by BGHater ('A Nation's best defense is an educated citizenry'-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Army Air Corps

I agree.


18 posted on 01/13/2008 6:29:44 PM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: BGHater
The author is trivially refuting the inference made by the NYT "reporter" that spending time in Iraq or Afghanistan causes homocidal behavour in otherwise normal people, quite successfully, imho.
19 posted on 01/13/2008 6:32:39 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Being an idealist excuses nothing. Hitler was an idealist.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
I took awhile, but eventually the unemployment rate for VietVets was statistically meaningless.

In 1987, the unemployment rate of the population as a whole averaged 6.175 %
As of 1987, the unemployment rate of all Vietnam era veterans (in-country and not in-country) was 8%.

The same with homelessness,crime,addiction etc ( why gun ownership was even mentioned escapes me)

over time, the Viet Vets mainstreamed, so to speak.

20 posted on 01/13/2008 6:33:00 PM PST by stylin19a
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