If there's no FRed and no Hunter and we're left with the four headless RINOs, then what?

January 10, 2008 | Jim Robinson

[Jim Robinson]

The question was posed to me last night, if the only two conservatives in the race were to drop out, leaving the hapless RINOs Giuliani, Romney, Huckabee and McCain to ward off the Evil Witch of the East then, Jim, what do we do?

Well, I think four issues that most of us conservatives will agree on that are at the top or near the top of our priority lists are National Defense, Border Security, Guns and Life should be considered. We can argue all day long on whether or not these guys are constitutionally minded, small government fiscal conservatives, and I don't believe any of them are, but we'll leave that for another day. Let's concentrate on National Defense, Border Security, Guns and Life.

Well, I can see right off that that rules out Rudy, the draft dodging, gun grabbing, sanctuary city abortionist. At least the other three claim to be pro-life, although Romney has been a pro-choice abortionist for all of his elected history until he decided to run for president. I think Romney's pro choice, big government nanny state (RomneyCare) record gives him two big black eyes and should knock him out of any further consideration. That leaves Huckabee and McCain.

Now, all four of these guys are terrible on border security even though they're all claiming now to be border hawks. McCain led the charge for amnesty and the rest fell in line like dutiful RINO troopers. Can't really make a distinction among these guys on the border issue. All fail, though I think most conservatives would rank McCain at or near the bottom.

Guns. Rudy's definitely out. McCain's out. Romney's not much better. Guess Huckabee the big duck hunter outshoots the others in this category.

Rudy fails in all categories, McCain and Romney fail on guns, and all fail on borders. So I guess Huckabee has more to offer over the others at this point as he is at least pro-life and pro-gun.

Now comes national defense. Sorry, but I can't see the draft dodging, gun grabbing, gay loving, cross-dressing, illegal alien pandering abortion activist Rudy Giuliani as a very appealing or effective guy to head up our military, even if he did make some rousing anti-terrorist speeches on 9/11. The "gays should be allowed to serve openly in the military" Romney (no military or national security experience that I know of) doesn't give me goosebumps either.

So, again, we're down to Huckabee and McCain. Now you all know that I like Huckabee as he is a likable fellow, and I hate McCain, but wait. If the whole shebang is going to be decided on which of the still standing Republican wannabes should defend America from the terrorists and the surrendering Democrats, I think I'll have to go with McCain over Huckabee. At least McCain served in the military and has a whole lot more military and national security experience while serving on various committees in the senate than does Huckabee. Huckabee has none. And I doubt Huckabee can defeat Hillary. But then, McCain probably won't either, so guess that leaves plan B. Squat down, tuck your head down between your knees and kiss your ass goodbye.

Here's praying that the only two all around consistently reliable conservatives hang in there and one of them gets the nod.

Go Hunter!! Go, FRed, GO!!

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Well not new but exciting. I've had two poster today accuse me of knee jerk comments, being called a liberal. I was waiting for the feminazi one to come up, but hey, it's still early yet. Defending Hunter from the same crowd. lol

All in all, same ole same ole.

And you?

[nicmarlo]

That's a hot one. You're being called a liberal for......supporting a conservative.

oh.......sorry.......I didn't have anything quite as hysterical as that happen to me today.....yet. lolol

[Mamzelle]

re: I just want to know why the media are choosing the candidates for us!!!)))

For a couple of years now, the GOP/RNC leadership has assumed that they could do anything they pleased, kick conservatives in the teeth while begging for approval from the Progressives--all because we are terrified of Hillary.

And I believe that the GOP elites worked deliberately against some Repub conservative candidates in 2006 to provide Bush with an amnesty-friendly congress "he could work with." This is particularly appalling when you consider those same candidates who were starved of support were the ones supporting Bush in the WOT. Everything for Mexico. Our economy, our wages, our safety--everything for Mexican nationals.

Talk about alienating your base--average Republican moderates and conservatives. They thought they could do anything to us because we're so scared of Hillary.

Conservatives are middle and upper-middle class, generally. Not the elite rich. Not people with a houseful of slaves cleaning up after them.

Reagan understood them--the Joe Sixpacks. Bush does not understand the average Republican. So he allowed the RNC elites to alienate them--

So we never got the traction we needed to get a strong presidential candidate. But it's not the media. It was the GOP elites who hamstrung the process.

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By putting up a link of women in the military who won medals. Supporting our female soldiers. Apparently supporting women in our military is frowned upon by some on here. But you already knew that I'm sure. That's why I was waiting for the feminazi slur to be thrown at me. lol

The Hunter haters, how does one deal with their irrational behavior?

[nicmarlo]

The Hunter haters, how does one deal with their irrational behavior?

I dunno....but this one seemed pretty good to me:

(spits at the dawg),,,(cockin’ his pistols)...;0(...grrrrrr.

lolol!

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Excellent. lolololol

[nicmarlo]

Where there’s a will.....there’s always a laugh.

: )

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A sense of humor helps us keep our sanity in an insane world.

[LucyJo]

A close relative (conservative) and I had a similar discussion before the last election. She was so angry at Republicans, and refused to vote...said she may do so again in the presidential election.

I understand the displeasure, but I think Reid and Pelosi, et al, have more than proven my point to her that things indeed can be worse when Dems have free reign. I think “we ain’t seen nuthin’” if Leftist Dems control the executive, legislative, and the judicial branch through their appointments. They have no conservatives in their party to hold them in check, and they would rather war with their political enemies than fight the enemies of this country, so they will pay little or no heed to our wishes.

It is obvious that my relative has not changed her mind about her stance in the last election, as she may chose to do the same again this time around. She is an intelligent, and politically aware, woman. I disagree with her, but I respect her right to make her own decision just as I do yours and others.

[nicmarlo]

It most certainly does.

[johnthebaptistmoore]

BTW, how come all of the Republican Presidential candidates truly can’t come together and create some future debates where all of the moderators are true conservatives only and all of the questions asked are from true conservatives only and all of the “questioners” are true conservatives only instead of everything coming from just the MSM all of the time? I’ve been wondering about this for a long time! The “Values Voters Debate” truly doesn’t cut it if they choose Mike Huckabee as the winner, IMHO!

[scripter]

Not too long ago there was a time when I was writing something similar to what you've previously written in this thread, but now I'm drawing a line in the sand. Maybe, someday, there will come a time when you have my perspective on this issue. Maybe not.

I find it interesting what some people are willing to tolerate at various times in history while others are not. Years later perspectives change and another line is drawn in the sand, perhaps by you or somebody with your perspective, and the cycle continues.

Often, when I hear the term 20/20 hindsight it gives me pause for thought.

BTW, please tell your close relative to vote even if she has to write in her candidate.

[barryg]

We teach America a lesson by not voting for the RINO, or by voting for some third party candidate.

[Tramonto]

Im voting for Huckabee. I think his RINO credentials have been blown way out of proportion.

Wasn’t Huckabee the Freeper Governor at one time? What happened?

[Dog Gone]

But either way, I have to live with myself after this is over with, and I can live with having penciled in "Duncan Hunter" on a ballot, knowing that it resulted in Hillary winning. My trust is not of anything here on this earth and I do not fear what is coming.

Cool. Kind of like Dr. Strangelove, only even more apopalyptic.

Shouldn't you vote Democrat to hasten the end of the world?

[hiredhand]

Ah...c'mon...if you had gone through my past postings and replies to those postings about this same subject, you'd realize just how unoriginal you are with your comment about me voting Democratic and hastening things. Tsk...tsk..!

Voting Democratic is immoral. We won't do that. Voting for a RINO is immoral as well. We won't do that either. What part of this do you not understand? Is it really that difficult to understand? Is it that hard to understand that you and those like you are well and truly screwed?

I think Jim Rob summed it up pretty well with his comment about tucking your head down between your knees, and kissing your ass goodbye. Because that is where we're at right now, and that seems to be where we're heading!

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

You may vote as you may vote and Demonrats and other antiwar antiAmericans may vote as they vote but the GOP will NOT be associated with the cowardly excuse for foreign policy

It's the MAJORITY of Americans that oppose the war, not just leftist moonbats who only oppose the war for leftist reasons. There are real people who want the war to end. That is reality and that is a fact. That is why Obama and Hillary have raised $100 million apiece last year compared to the GOP candidate's chump change. That is PARTLY why the GOP lost the mid-terms in 2006. If the Republican candidates besides Paul do not start making drastic foreign policy changes, they are going to lose.

If the GOP loses the election of 2008 which I doubt, the Demonrats can pay the price for the surrender policy and the GOP will castrate the Demonrats in 2010 as we did in 1994.

I hate to break wind to you bub, but the Democrats aren't committed to troop withdrawals either. They're going to continue the war as well and blame whatever consequences of it on "Bush/Cheney" policies. The war is going to continue regardless who is elected besides Paul. But there is the perception among people that the Democrats will end the war but they won't, and even if it did, they will continue with the interventionist foreign policy that is bankrupting our country.

Your proposal to stop bothering the poor Muzzies and to leave them alone and to (essentially) surrender to them does absolutely nothing.

Republicans END & WIN wars, not PROLONG them. If the job couldn't get done in six years, then it's time to get off the pot. Iraq is a sovereign nation - just what are we "surrendering?" The last time I looked, they're not a state or territory of these United States.

You and the majority of the posters of FR CLEARLY DO NOT GET IT. The Republican Party is in a tailspin because it has abandoned all of its traditions and conservative heritage. The one candidate who is bringing it all back is routinely trashed and belittled. Now, explain to me how will the GOP win the general election with a fractured base and supporters who are fervent about their candidate, and will write him in or encourage him to go 3rd party regardless who is the GOP nominee.

[Alkhin]

THANK YOU - you say it much more eloquently than I could possibly have thought of...its why Ive been saying that if the GOP picks one of the RINOS, especially McCain and/or Huckabee, I will immediately divorce myself from the Republican party. The only power that I have right now is to cast that one vote in the elections - I am not part of any campaign or convention. The only say I have as an ordinary American just trying to handle the life Ive been given is at that voting booth, and I will not be made to settle for the best of the worst. If the GOP has turned its coats to the Leftists in their party, then I am walking...and its THEIR loss, not mine. They should not come crying to me when they find out they’ve been had.

[hiredhand]

I appreciate what you say. If you go through this thread, you'll see that there are two camps.

One holds to the tactic of resigning themselves to a RINO "if" the GOP nominates one. They are motivated by fear, and have decided in advance to choose a "best of the worst". They tend to have an "ANYBODY but Hillary attitude.

The other (that would be us) is not motivated by fear, and could care less who the GOP nominates. We have decided in advance to do what is right and correct, even if it means Hillary Clinton occupies the Executive Office because we penciled in Duncan Hunter, or anybody else for that matter.

Far too many people don't understand this train of thought. Far too many people are driven by what the GOP and the MSM "thinks". I've been called stupid, a leftist, an enemy of the Republic, and plenty of other names. But I am none of those things. I'm a "holdout" from an era that we are quickly losing all touch with. There are too many of "me" to permit a RINO to take the Whitehouse in 2008. Unfortunately, the result will be that the enemy wins that position. But the mechanics of how this will happen has been explained dozens of times to those who live in fear and are willing to vote RINO if pressed. If they are to filled with fear, or to stupid to comprehend it, then there is not much I can do to help. :-)

[BlackElk]

Actually, we FR posters are right. You Paulistinians are wrong and your breaking wind is nothing new. You do that with each post extolling the nonexistent virtues of the paleopipsqueak antyiwar antiAmerican jerk that you support for POTUS. Of course, at the rate he is going he won't get a delegate much less be nominated. I guess that means that both candidates nominated by the public in primaries and caucuses will continue the war since Paul is the freak show candidate and object of derision of every sensible persuasion. That suggests that you know no more about public opinion than you do about GOP presidential politics or public policy.

Why expect anything else from someone like EEE who veers from Rooty Julie Annie to Dr. Demento in one nomination cycle. Can you spell L-I-B-E-R-A-L???? Don't you get tired of humiliating yourself in public making believe that you or the Galveston moonbat are either Republican or conservative???? The beauty part is that your hatred of this or any war and of other assertions of manly foreign policy won't reduce your or paleoPaulie's ongoing obligation to pay for both. AND, as you concede, even the Demonrats know better than paleoPaulie or you and will have to continue the wars.

If, for any reason, the GOP should lose, we will lose with our honor intact by supporting these wars for Western Civilization and by refusing the paleoPaulie/John Murtha/Dennis Cuckoocinich prescription of surrendering and fleeing in terror like their hero antiwar cockroach Neville Chamberlain did so many decades ago. Our national colors do not run as Dr. Demento and his cowardly antiAmerican antiwar friends are finding out, primary by primary, caucus by caucus. Maybe you guys can get Hanoi Jane Fonda to be your candidate next time or Ahmanutjob or Ramsay Clarke or Osama bin Laden or Ugo Chavez.

The only way to end a war honorably is to WIN it. That is not the paleosurrenderman's plan or yours.

As to GOP traditions, last time I checked we advocate an end to the slaughter of innocent babies, a strong stand in defense of marriage defined as one man and one woman (no pets, no space aliens, no third partes or twelvesomes). The GOP, unlike the paleowindtunnel libertoonians believes that narcotics are not a free market option. We favor program and spending restraint and tax cuts but recognize that money is not everything. Social conservatism and the RTKBA and military force appled wherever we feel it ought to be will always come first. Cowardice is NOT a tradition in the GOP. AntiAmericanism is NOT a tradition in the GOP. Antiwar paleopeacecreepism is NOT a tradtion in the GOP. Delusional dishonest promises to end the IRS or to abolish the income tax may be sucker bait for some GOP voters but the party, even under ubermaterialist Goldwater, never promised any such thing much less made it traditional.

Please, please, please take your votes and vote for paleoPaulie as a Third Party candidate. Demonrats eager for abortion, perversion and cowardly pacifism will take more votes to paleoPaulie than Republicans ever will and we can trash Dr. Demento AND Her Satanic Thighness or Osama bin Bama in one fell swoop.

You think we do not get it???? Let's find out! If you have any guts at all, make your play. We will do what we have to do both to be Republicans and conservatives unlike the pro-Al Qaeda quisling of Galveston and his followers and to beat the tar out of those smarmy creatures who would see our country defeated by surrender or otherwise.