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For all Freepers who plan to stay home on election day to teach the GOP a lesson
Yahoo News ^ | Jan 9 2008 | Me

Posted on 01/08/2008 11:25:26 PM PST by Justice

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KEYWORDS: clinton; hillary; nh2008
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To: indylindy
Nope, the party will only CHANGE when people quit holding their nose.

That is total bullsh!t, you could find Democrat shills trying to plant that kind of mindset on this site IMO.

There is hardly EVER the perfect or really good candidate. Now in the primaries is when you do your best to put your guy in. If they perfect candidate doesn't make it through you do the best you can.

Any Republican over the Democrat will get you better judges, less taxes, no socialized medicine along with better national security.

If someone is looking to duck responsibility by not voting or voting third party despite all the damage caused , then they should just tattoo "I AM A BIG DEMOCRAT LOVER" on their butts.

I've watched the protest vote BS in action for some time. Ross Perot took some of the vote and brought us Clinton, so being a third party drone doesn't ever get you a badge of conservatism.

It would be like someone having patched your boat the best they could and you starting to drill holes in the bottom of your boat while complaining about your boat taking on water.

Please leave the thick headed stupidity to Democrats. There are hardly ever perfect candidates.

401 posted on 01/09/2008 11:58:53 AM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

Sorry, I do not agree. The candidates are liberals.

If people want one, they will get one whether I vote this time around or not.

I will be voting write in for POTUS, and in my state and local elections.

I gladly walked out my door to put a cnservative in against an incumbent RAT mayor in my city. He won, and I am happy about it. These schlubs we have running, except for a few, are not worth my time.


402 posted on 01/09/2008 12:06:10 PM PST by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: MarkDel

I appreciate the response Mark but think back yourself.

Reagan was called a warmonger for his actions at Rekiavic, his missile deployment in Europe and for many of his brilliant comments. He was called all sorts of names by folks for his ‘Bring down this wall’ comment.

At Rekiavic he was specifically spanked by know-it-all liberal republican leaders for ‘missing a once in a lifetime opportunity’. He had to fight off his own party leadership, to put the Pershing II (I belive it was Pershing II) nukes in Europe.

He was fought tooth and nail against undermining that communist germ in Nicaragua, that has come to power again.

Are we talking about democrats? No. The republican leadership thought he was a loose cannon. They thought he was senile. They thought he didn’t have a clue a majority of the time.

Reagan was vindicated when the wall came down. He was also vindicated when his own diary revealed that he was lucid and still driving policy and day to day operations up until the end of his presidency.

A considerable number of leading republicans did not buy into this while he was in office.


403 posted on 01/09/2008 12:08:16 PM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: indylindy
If people are ashamed of me for not voting for a RINO

I said no such thing. Vote for whoever you want, but vote. Participate. If you don't like something, get involved in changing it.

Not sure what the basis of your comment to me is, since I wasn't speaking to you directly. I don't care who you vote for, or don't vote for. But 50% of the electorate is not voting, and THAT is dangerous...and lazy.

404 posted on 01/09/2008 12:14:19 PM PST by NewLand (Only one poll counts...our votes!)
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To: A CA Guy
Every Republican will get you better Judges, less taxes, no socialized medicine and better security for the country..

Like Harriet Miers, & Pharmacy medicare increases, which mean more taxes?

Third party votes are also like pissing down your own legs because it buys you a Democrat victory.

Basic economics. The GOP needs to provide a product we want or we'll go elsewhere. Will a D get elected? Yes, but that is not might fault. Besides, why not get the shooting war started sooner, and it is the GOP's fault for pissing away their base. Eventually they might get a clue.

Who ever the Republican is, they will be better than giving the Democrat the election.

To a certain degree, maybe, but if the GOP always believes that they have their base by the short hairs, then they are never held accountable.

405 posted on 01/09/2008 12:15:53 PM PST by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty.)
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To: A CA Guy
Yes, many “plants” growing here, for at least a year, trying to convince Republicans that elections are about who one VOTES FOR, and not who one ELECTS.

Such drama! And such narcissism.

Republican voters are rational, not sniveling teens stomping their feet, full of angst, anger, paybacks, etc.

We are grownups, and will vote accordingly.

For our country and our troops.

And we will NEVER take a dive in an election against the UnAmerican Democrat Party.

406 posted on 01/09/2008 12:19:00 PM PST by roses of sharon
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To: Rastus
Exactly,,,,a Republican congress has the 'loyalty' factor to deal with if you have a liberal Republican President.

Heck, I don't even consider Pres Bush liberal (Pres Bush supporter here, but disappointed about the lack of restraint on spending)--yet look at the steel tarriffs and the farm bill--in addition to the prescription drugs!!!

The bi-partisan support on social issues (ref. Rudy) from the democrats combined with Party loyalty from the Republicans would be devastating--when it comes to furthering the liberal social agenda. No thanks.

407 posted on 01/09/2008 12:20:25 PM PST by stockstrader (We need a conservative who will UNITE the Party, not a liberal who will DEMORALIZE it!)
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To: indylindy
I agree that many of the candidates are to the middle or left on some of various issues.

That is what makes them imperfect.

Still though indylindy, we have to compare that to the consequences of installing uber liberals who will then put in uber liberal judges, taxation and so forth in if you don’t vote or vote third party causing Democrats a victory.

Yep, I would like a Fred Thompson or the ghost of Ronald Reagan to take flesh and run again, but if that doesn’t come to be we don’t want to screw up the candidate that gets us towards our goal in favor of an action that puts your worst enemy into power.

Makes no sense.
We do what we can to get the best candidate.
We get who we get then in these tight races have to pick between two electable parties.

Democrats are talking cut and run, socialized medicine, increased taxation, and the most rabid liberal justices.

The Republicans are promising better justices, less taxation, no socialized medicine and a stronger national security compared to Democrats.

We need some kind of a majority to win.

What candidate do you have that is electable and not some 5% throw away vote?

I don’t mind you being stubborn for good things, but what is your plan to not cause the Democrats to take power?
It’s the Democrats who will destroy you, not the Republicans.

The time to bitch slap the Republicans is by replacing the bad ones in primaries.
If you find in this case a McCain getting elected as you do all you can to get your choice in, well then, better effort next time.
Obviously the electorate isn’t where you want it to be yet and you need to work on that if you wish.

Still the bottom line is we have to do everything to keep the Democrats out of power.
Being not voting or voting third party gets you Democrats, what is your answer for denying Democrats power? I pray it does not involve you drilling holes in your own boat.

408 posted on 01/09/2008 12:20:59 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
I really don't care if the party leadership abhored Reagan...and I don't know how true it is.

Take a look at this post and see if it rings any bells.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1950687/posts?page=403#403

The bottom line is for me is Reagan won and became one of America's finest leaders.

Yes he did.

If you want to use the history of Reagan's tenure after he was elected, then please consider using his history before he was elected. He hung in there, and changed the world.

If you think voting for the elder Bush in 1988 and 1992, and voting for Dole in 1996 and Bush in 2004 wasn't hanging around, you should do some reflection.

I have hung around.  And here we are, looking at a slate of people who should be register under another party.

The change you call for in leadership is not falling on deaf ears with me...but you don't affect that by walking away.

Reagon couldn't gain traction in 1976.  I'm not convinced he would have in 1980, if it hadn't been for the embecillic presidency of one James Earl Carter.  Carter set the stage for one of the United States' greatest presidents.  With Carter as a backdrop, it was easy for Reagon to sell true conservatism, even if he wasn't able to fully implement it over his eight year term.

In 1980, we weren't looking for a warmed over closet liberal to right our ship of state.  We were looking for a man that understood conservatism and could sell it.  Hell, he sold it to a massive number of democrats.  Today we not only can't sell conservatism to our own clan, we don't even try.  Folks like Hunter and Thompson are ignored in the quest to see which liberal can outlast the other.  It's downright shameful what the party of Ronald Reagan has stooped to.

You take yourself out of the equation. When those who care and work for change leave, those worthless leaders you despise will not cry, they will work further to consolidate their power and draw more people, people who don't care, into their realm of influence.

The problem with that logic, is that it didn't hold true after Carter.  People came to Reagan in droves.  Even democrats did.  If a conservative is lofted once again to be the republician leader, we'll be out here willing to support them.  I just reregistered so I can vote in the primary for Fred Thompson.  I would do so in the future, in the hopes of putting a conservative in office.  I will not vote in people who are going to move this nation ever left, while the democrats are locked out of the White House.  Why would I?

Thank you for your response.  I appreciate it.

409 posted on 01/09/2008 12:22:00 PM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: Justice

I am not staying home. I will vote. I just won’t vote for McCain, Huckabee, or Giuliani for the top spot. Why should I be complicit in the election of pro-amnesty candidates whether they be Rep or Dem. If amnesty is granted to the 12 to 20 million illegals, the country is finished as we know it. Amnesty is forever.


410 posted on 01/09/2008 12:24:02 PM PST by kabar
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To: A CA Guy

Just not going to happen for me this time the way things look. I have to look in the mirror and respect myself.

I am tired of being frog marched to the polls like a mind numbed robot, and voting for people that make me ill.

I wasn’t a Bush fan, and I held my nose. I held it again in 2006. It never improves, it just gets worse and if this race doesn’t improve, I am done with it.


411 posted on 01/09/2008 12:26:05 PM PST by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: Ymani Cricket
The thought of a Democratic Congress and Presidency is not very appealing though.

Except that last time it happened, 1993-1994, it lead to 14 years of a Republican Congress and eight years of a Republican president until they both blew it by acting like Democrats.

If FReepers elect a liberal Republican wins in 2008 they'll kill off conservatism for good. The new paradigm won't be limited government vs. big government, but who can manage socialized medicine and a cradle-to-grave welfare state better.

412 posted on 01/09/2008 12:27:11 PM PST by VirginiaConstitutionalist (Mike Huckabee's speech was better in the original Russian.)
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To: roses of sharon

Third party voting or non voting... The country has been there and done that. The results were ex-42 Clinton. We don't need another.

413 posted on 01/09/2008 12:27:59 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Justice

Right on the money, Justice!

One should always go with the lesser evil and any Republican candidate will be just fine, versus any alternative.


414 posted on 01/09/2008 12:28:21 PM PST by Sonora
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To: Justice
Priming everyone up for the better of two evils again?

Is this just another "Vote for any Republican regardless" thread"?

Is this a vote for McCain because he's a Republican?

Remember recent stories like this below that occurred as recent as 2006?

Sen. John McCain gave a big thumbs up last night to demonstrators planning to march across the Brooklyn Bridge today in support of comprehensive immigration reform. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1607852/posts

Would anyone in their right mind support someone like this?

415 posted on 01/09/2008 12:29:39 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: Bear_Slayer
Who would have been better, Harriet Miers or Justice Bill Clinton?

I agree, I hate what Bush did with the Medicare increase.
Republicans will get you LESS taxation that Democrats by far.

What is your plan that is FUNCTIONAL that will not give Democrats power? Being no third party comes close to doing anything but spoil elections for Democrats, I say vote Republican in 2008.

416 posted on 01/09/2008 12:31:48 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: dragnet2

Yeah, they no longer care. If Scooby Doo was the GOP pick they would vote for him.

However Scooby would be better than Hillary or Mc Cain.


417 posted on 01/09/2008 12:32:06 PM PST by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: Always Right; Justice
Right on.

Vote wearing one of these, if you have to. But vote -- and get your political friends to do the same.

And that goes for the primary/caucus, too!!!

Vote for what is at stake. Vote for our American principles, of both the Declaration and Constitution.

418 posted on 01/09/2008 12:37:14 PM PST by unspun (God save us from egos -- especially our own.)
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To: BillyBoy

There you go again. Last time I checked, the Buchanan family is supporting the Massachusetts liberal.

Who are these “lifetime voting record Conservatives more to the right of Fred” running for President ?


419 posted on 01/09/2008 12:39:34 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: unspun
I would sooner take my last breath, than ever vote for your boy, Mike Huckabee.

sw

420 posted on 01/09/2008 12:39:40 PM PST by spectre (spectre's wife)
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