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Angry White Man (The bigoted "past" of Ron Paul. Calls black people "animals")
New Republic ^ | January 8, 2008 | James Kirchick

Posted on 01/08/2008 11:04:11 AM PST by mnehring

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To: Dumb_Ox
"...[If] McCain can sing "Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran," Paul gets to be kooky too..."

In fairness, McCain was singing a 50's hit in response to a question that begged the song. (Barbara-Ann).

Ron Paul may prove worse than a kook with this thread's revelations.

361 posted on 01/09/2008 2:54:11 AM PST by Does so (...against all enemies, DOMESTIC and foreign...)
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To: furquhart
furquhart (John S. McCain for President)

So you support a candidate who wants to do away with the bill of rights and has already taken a big chunk out of the first amendment, and you want to do this by only allowing those people who agree with your fascist point of view to post on conservative websites

I think the time has come to purge all Ron Paul supporters from conservative websites and so forth

At least you're consistent, but why are you posting here. Your ideas would be a better match at DU. The purge anyone who doesn't post exactly what they want.

362 posted on 01/09/2008 3:29:43 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: mnehrling

Ron Paul is partially right when he talks about “issues” but his anti-warism is over the top.

I think he is part of those who would say terrorism against the United States is “the Jews fault.”

Let the liberals do the anal exams on Paul’s record.

I have better things to worry about.


363 posted on 01/09/2008 4:57:36 AM PST by Nextrush (NO WAY MCCAIN but I remain uncommitted.)
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To: darkmatter
It's amazing--I've found .pdf files of his comments, posted them elsewhere, and the Paulbots STILL insist on denying it, saying those weren't his words, etc., even on articles WRITTEN IN THE FIRST PERSON!!!

Can they spin any faster?
364 posted on 01/09/2008 4:57:47 AM PST by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: be-baw
Okay, look at it this way:

1--He wrote or was aware of what was being written in this newsletter, in which case he is unqualified to be president:

OR

2--He's so willfully ignorant about what is being put out IN HIS NAME and in so doing demonstrates he hasn't the capability of handling critical information and details, in which case he is unqualified to be president.

You choose.
365 posted on 01/09/2008 5:01:49 AM PST by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: OCCASparky
1--He wrote or was aware of what was being written in this newsletter, in which case he is unqualified to be president:

The quote I saw was politically incorrect, but so what? Does this offend anyone? What about this?

366 posted on 01/09/2008 5:37:46 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: bcsco
The poster of this thread merely posted an article . . .

No matter how much you mince words, the purpose of this post, as well as the article itself, was to disparage Dr. Paul by associating him with racism. As for my post in regard to his Republican ideals, it is as apropos here as it is anywhere his name and reputation are unfairly under attack.

367 posted on 01/09/2008 6:14:43 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew
No matter how much you mince words, the purpose of this post, as well as the article itself, was to disparage Dr. Paul by associating him with racism.

I don't mince words. I report the facts. There are all kinds of threads on this forum that can be considered disparaging of one individual or another. That context is in the eye of the beholder.

You view it as disparaging because you support Paul. I view it as information that is critical toward understanding a political opportunist.

If you don't like the material that's posted on this forum you have an option. I don't believe I need to tell you what that is.

368 posted on 01/09/2008 6:21:55 AM PST by bcsco (Huckleberry Hound - Another dope from Hope!)
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To: bcsco
You view it as disparaging because you support Paul.

Wrong. I'll defend anyone whose name is unfairly associated with racism. The tactics whereby this attempt was made are better suited to the DBM's thuggish rhetoric. Fine with me if you want to support and indulge such tactics (guilt by false association as a legitimate talking point), but I would have thought better of you, since you seem to be the expert in what constitutes legitimate debate.

369 posted on 01/09/2008 6:29:53 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Wrong. I'll defend anyone whose name is unfairly associated with racism.

The unfairness of this is an opinion. One which I do not share with you.

Have a good day.

370 posted on 01/09/2008 6:34:02 AM PST by bcsco (Huckleberry Hound - Another dope from Hope!)
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To: from occupied ga
The quote I saw was politically incorrect, but so what? Does this offend anyone? What about this?

The problem is the campaign yesterday pawned anyone who tries to defend the comments.
“The quotations in The New Republic article are not mine and do not represent what I believe or have ever believed. I have never uttered such words and denounce such small-minded thoughts.”

371 posted on 01/09/2008 6:46:32 AM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehrling

I read this whole article but not all of the comments that were made about it so please excuse me if I repeat something that someone else said.

The New Republic is a legitimate opinion magazine, albeit a liberal one, and this article is quite credible. Ron Paul cannot claim to be ignorant about the content of newsletters that he published over a period of many years. Even if he did not agree with everything that was written in these newsletters, he is certainly responsible for disseminating the views of those who did. After all, he wasn’t obligated to publish anything that he did not approve of or agree with.

Ron Paul is a kook, a conspiracy theorist and a bigot. He may have sound opinions on a few issues but that doesn’t mean that he is fit to be President because he isn’t.


372 posted on 01/09/2008 6:58:11 AM PST by steadfastconservative
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To: steadfastconservative

Update in post #337- looks like the national review had scanned copies, some with paul’s signature on them. The full newsletter can be read, not just pull quotes (that doesn’t make it any better for paul.)


373 posted on 01/09/2008 6:59:51 AM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehrling
Update in post #337- looks like the national review...

You might want to post a correction.

374 posted on 01/09/2008 7:04:45 AM PST by bcsco (Huckleberry Hound - Another dope from Hope!)
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To: bcsco

Here is where it linked.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1950390/posts?page=145#141

The Naitonal Review had scanned copies so it moved past just their opinion, we now can look at the full news letters without weeding through the national review’s opinion.


375 posted on 01/09/2008 7:07:03 AM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehrling
Here is where it linked.

Yes, but the link on the other thread takes us to New Republic, not National Review.

376 posted on 01/09/2008 7:16:42 AM PST by bcsco (Huckleberry Hound - Another dope from Hope!)
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To: bcsco

Oh, sorry, I flip those names around a lot :->


377 posted on 01/09/2008 7:19:47 AM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehrling
The "out of context" quotes in the smear article are mixed in topic. If a person defends the premise that say, race rioters are essentially barbarians, it does not follow that he agrees with the premise that "Barbara Jordan was a half-educated victimologist".

The fact that you seem to revel in bashing the folks who have not managed to wrap their heads around the whole issue and are still discovering the inconsistencies in the smear is more revealing of your character.

Your postings reveal a taste for sowing discord and confusion. You do not write to enlighten the reader and enhance the accuracy of discussion, Instead, you seek confusion and irritation it's own sake.

You should know by now New Republic is on the record for passing fiction as fact, lying about it, and in general diminishing it's reputation, e.g. the Scott Thomas affair. You have allied yourself with the enemies of truth and champions of discord.

In reading the similar attacks on Ron Paul defenders on this subject in the blogosphere, I find a great deal of duplication including outright cut and paste operations. This smacks of an attempt to "google-bomb" the subject so as to make it difficult for the curious to discover anything other than the smear.

I invite you to read for yourself what Ron Paul has to say about racism.

378 posted on 01/09/2008 7:49:24 AM PST by no-s
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To: no-s
Yawn, sorry ghandi, but news is news. Paul is subject to criticism just like McCain, Romney, Rudy, Hillary, or Obama. You’ll also notice that I also initially posted the standard campaign response that these were not written by him, several hours before the campaign did. The problem is, now scanned copies are released with everything in context.

You think it is me? Go visit the meetup groups and forums, they are pissed off and how the campaign handled this.

This is news, and your ‘messiah’ doesn’t have a hands-off sticker on his head. If he can’t handle this heat, how will he handle real problems as president?

379 posted on 01/09/2008 8:13:16 AM PST by mnehring
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To: no-s
BTW, the actual comment you are responding to, re 'small minded' isn't my words, that is directly from the campaign.

“The quotations in The New Republic article are not mine and do not represent what I believe or have ever believed. I have never uttered such words and denounce such small-minded thoughts.”

Kind of makes it hard now to defend the comments doesn't it?

380 posted on 01/09/2008 8:15:09 AM PST by mnehring
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