Posted on 01/08/2008 5:56:29 AM PST by Invisigoth
Secular America looks at the rise of Mike Huckabee and fears the growing influence of evangelical Christians in the political process.
This evangelical Christian columnist fears it too, for exactly the opposite reason.
Huckabee’s win in the Iowa caucuses, and his sudden viability as a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, owes to one thing and one thing only. Large numbers of evangelical voters are looking for someone to represent their values, and Huckabee is the only candidate who seems to do so.
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***Duncan Hunter represents their values. He’s Pro-life, evangelical, and a stalwart conservative. “
I like Duncan Hunter, but he’s simply NOT going to come close to winning. It certainly helps to have some name recognition, so long as the “highly unfavorable” rating doesn’t apply.
This is a bitter fight for an “open seat”, and I commend all those who are in the fight. We just need to take the gloves off and let the best man win.
With that, I am pulling strongly for Fred Thompson. Any year now his campaign will get into gear.
True but with Republicans having so many democrats who left their party and came over to us just because of the moral issue, that does not play with Reagan dems or blue dog dems who could care less. It is also why when the Christians leave the Republican party because of the moral issue and start their own, it is doubtful it will be conservative when it comes to taxes which is sad.
The real problem was the fact the republicans put out so many liberals Making big a deal of them and did not highlight either Hunter or Thompson so you are stuck with what you get now. A lot of people thinking at least he is a moral conservative because of his background and not looking any farther because they are lazy or just sick of politics. Liberal morals do not win Republican presidential primaries.
We aren't the stupid party for nothing!
No. The truth is that the pro-aborts want to throw the pro-life agenda off of the train, and expect us pro-lifers to stay on and shovel coal. It ain’t gonna happen.
Also, bear in mind that there are five or six candidates running for the GOP nomination. It's not over by a longshot.
For the most part, this Huckabee thing is a lot of statistical noise. It will disapear when the evangelicals get the news that there are a few other pro-life candidates.
but he’s simply NOT going to come close to winning.
***And that aligns with Christian evangelical values exactly how? When’s the last time you read about Gideon?
Fred isn’t an evangelical. Hunter is. Look at how Team Fred treats evangelicals, not very well. Just one example, check in on the Huckabee threads for more.
Dobson: Iowa Shows Christian Right Is Still Strong
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1948397/posts
Evangelicals would be very welcome in Hunter’s camp.
And it’s the reason judgments were mandated by law - because people were sick and tired of do-gooder judges letting off hardened criminals just because the criminal was worth a little pity in the judge’s opinion. You know, the guy up for murder who’s had dozens of assault, battery, other crimes on his rap sheet and has done only a few months in jail for ALL of them.
Huckabee is of this mold - he pardoned more rapists, murderers and other serious criminals than any governor in any state ever did. More than Bill Clinton ever did even as president. And he did this, HE says, because Jesus told him it was a Christian thing to do. What a disaster.
For my part, I’m tired of judges thinking they know better than the legislature
Mike Huckabee is not a follower of the Christ !Mike wants to steal from the unwilling to give it someone else.
He thinks stealing is christian charity.
I pointed out the same thing to my father, a devout Presbyterian. He was giving money to the WCC and the PCUSA, and I told him if he wanted to waste his money go right ahead but he’d be better off giving it to the Salvation Army to do some good.
He read their websites, talked to his minister, and was shocked at what he found.
I have read it, and preached it many times. I hear the talk, but where exactly is Hunter in the mix? Overall he is my favorite, but he ain’t gonna win.
To keep Gideon in his context, the Lord dwindled Gideon’s army to 300 men in order to rout an army. This election is not about winning with 300 good men. It’s about getting the word out, and running an effective campaign. Not to be offensive, but I'll go toe-to-toe with anyone on the scriptures.
Sir, referring to my post #153, what do you think about the idea of challenging Huckabee supporters (# 2) who are not conservatives with the scriptures? Since it is the only thing they base their reasons on. Use the scriptures to counteract Huckabee’s actions.
Well, let's consider your initial hyperbole to which I responded.
Baptist Preacher Falwell’s politics seemed to be mostly about Pope Falwell enjoying ordering his subjects to vote as he decreed."Pope" Falwell as you called him was a pastor of a church and the president of a distinctly Christian university. In those capacities, he preached what he believed to be sound doctrine from the Scriptures and stated the mission and various positions of the university. When he got involved in the "political" scene it was to the extent of identifying how certain political and social views and agendas aligned with Biblical doctrine and with the mission and objectives of the university. (Just about any preacher on the left or right does the same thing rather frequently.) This is far from "ordering" his followers, or his faculty or students, to "vote as he decreed". And nobody that I have ever talked to who actually knew Falwell would suggest the he considered anyone in his church or at his university a "subject".
For the most part, hateful hyperbole = hogwash (usually)
Well, you bring up some good points, but Huckabee will go to Scriptures in New Testament about helping the poor, etc. and say something to the effect it is the job of government to help these poor souls.
What might be more effective is that Huckabee will sink himself as his slippery nature is slowly exposed. Now, the problem with this is that it may happen slow enough that he has the nomination locked up. Pray that this is not so!
Oh, I know why. I just disagree. Vehemently. A knee-jerk solution if there ever was one... Limiting the judges in this way was the wrong way to fix it. Better to remove the judge and replace him with one who has the wisdom necessary for the job. That is where the problem lies.
Preachin: but he’s simply NOT going to come close to winning.
Kevmo: And that aligns with Christian evangelical values exactly how?
Preachin: I have read it, and preached it many times. I hear the talk, but where exactly is Hunter in the mix? Overall he is my favorite, but he ain’t gonna win.
***That does not answer the question. It aligns with the values because...
Not to be offensive, but I’ll go toe-to-toe with anyone on the scriptures.
***Then answer the question. I like what you say about Gideon, so you get it. But you’re avoiding the question. There’s usually a reason why people avoid questions.
In the absence of a suitable response, what the Huckabee supporters will note is that they will not feel very comfortable in Team Fred, because Fred is not an evangelical. Hunter is. Hunter is a very conservative, pro-life evangelical, more pro-life than Thompson. Team Thompson needs to twist itself into a pretzel to attract evangelical support, whereas Team Hunter just says, “check out our candidate, he’s the best.”
A few radicals might. But they're stupid, because they need the social conservatives just as much as the social conservatives need the moderates.
For the most part, this Huckabee thing is a lot of statistical noise. It will disapear when the evangelicals get the news that there are a few other pro-life candidates.
If they don't, then they're electing a pro-abortion Democrat, who will nomonate from a pool of pro-abortion Democrat judges, and hire a fleet of pro-abortion bureaucrats.
The corelary of the above is that the social conservatives need the moderates. If they dig in their heels for Huck, then they lose when the party loses.
The first priority must be victory in November. It's much easier to influence a president of your own party that needs all of the base, than influence a president of the other party that doesn't. Getting at least some of the qualities in a president you want is better than getting none.
has anyone noticed the little accidental meeting between Rooty and Huck today?
Look folks, I see right through it. Ain’t no accident.
Do you know what is coming?
I hope I am wrong, if I am not, the Huck supporters are gonna be in for a rude awakening.
Most good conservative leaders sort of get talked into elective office, but then remain proud and supportive of their Christian faith.
Huckabee went into politics precisely to demonstrate and showcase his Christianity, and to promote it like a trophy on his fireplace mantle.
There is a big difference.
The non-Christian conservatives, especially secular Jews, see a politician like Huckabee as the beginning of the end of America's 'neutrality' in regards to the separation of church and state.
Huckabee will scare the beJesus out of millions of voters, not because he IS a religious zealot -- but because that's what people will perceive him to be.
The Republican Party will get crushed in '08 if Mike Huckabee is the presidential nominee.
Not only that, but Huckabee is way too frumpy, and simply does not project the power and strength necessary to lead today's free world.
He is the Wally Cox of 2008 politics.
It is a good thing to help the poor with their own money. How about “Thou shalt not steal”? Stealing from tax payers to give to the poor of their choices.
GWB campaigned for elected office as an American first, and then remained proud of his religious faith (as he should) while leading the nation thru troubled times.
Huckabee used his religious faith as a promotion tool in order to GET elected, and then continued to use his Christian identity as sort of a tool to promote what he intended to accomplish, and to separate himself from 'non-Christians.
THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE between the two.
Huckabee scares the beJesus out of me, and out of Jewish Republicans (except for Michael Medved), and other non-religious conservatives AND liberals.
Huckabee will be an unmitigated disaster for the GOP should he win the nomination.
Maybe so, but talking about the slow wheels of justice. Getting a judge off the bench is probably as difficult as getting rid of a tenured teacher.
Besides, I don’t really care about the circumstances. If you committed a premedtated murder, then you should pay a consistent price. It helps with the deterrent effect.
I’m with Frank Rizzo on this one. “The death penalty eliminates repeat offenders.”
What other viable options do evangelical Christians have?
Fred Thompson.
He’s with you on all the issues you care about.
(And I don’t want public prayer put back in public schools, because I don’t want kids to be forced into listening to Muslim and Hindu and Scientology and Whateverelse garbage. And you know that’s what would happen. Private prayer in public school is entirely appropriate and happens daily.)
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