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Clues From The Mists Of Time (Chachapoyas)
LA Times ^ | 1-5-2007 | Liliana Nieto del Rio - Patrick J McDonnell

Posted on 01/05/2008 7:42:15 PM PST by blam

Clues from the mists of time

Liliana Nieto del Rio / For The Times

This is the where the “cloud warriors” of ancient Peru once lived. Known from colonial chronicles as tall and fierce warriors who long resisted the Inca, the Chachapoya were also far-ranging merchants and powerful shamans. Recent digs at this majestic site have turned up scores of skeletons and thousands of artifacts, shedding new light on these myth-shrouded early Americans.

Peru's ancient 'cloud warriors' put their dead in towering walls. The Chachapoya gave way to the Inca and Spanish, but first they flourished.

By Patrick J. McDonnell, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer January 5, 2008
Kuelap, Peru

The broken skeletons were scattered like random pottery shards, rediscovered where they had fallen centuries ago.

Were these ancient people cut down in some long-forgotten battle? Did European-introduced diseases cause their demise? Were they casualties of some apocalyptic reckoning at this great walled citadel?

The "cloud warriors" of ancient Peru are slowly offering up their secrets -- and more questions. Recent digs at this majestic site, once a stronghold of the Chachapoya civilization, have turned up scores of skeletons and thousands of artifacts, shedding new light on these myth-shrouded early Americans and one of the most remarkable, if least understood, of Peru's pre-Columbian cultures.

Among the arresting findings: the practice of incorporating the dead into defensive walls; the use of stone missiles to repel invaders; the discovery of gargoyle-like stone carvings; and the civilization's sudden collapse, possibly in a final, purifying conflagration.

Though almost everyone knows about the Inca and Machu Picchu, relatively few have heard of the Chachapoya or visited their domain, a vast swath of Amazon headlands and breathtaking cloud forests on the slopes of the Andes. This walled settlement, among the largest

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chachapoyas; godsgravesglyphs; kuelap; peru
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1 posted on 01/05/2008 7:42:17 PM PST by blam
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To: SunkenCiv
GGG Ping.

Kuelap - The Machu Picchu Of Northern Peru (Chachapoyas - White, blonde haired people)


2 posted on 01/05/2008 7:44:20 PM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam

History ain’t.


3 posted on 01/05/2008 7:44:40 PM PST by stboz
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Pre-Inca Ruins Emerrging From Peru's Cloud Forests (Chapapoyas)
4 posted on 01/05/2008 7:46:07 PM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam

2004: Top (Archaeological) Finds On Bolivian Highlands

5 posted on 01/05/2008 7:48:24 PM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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A breakthrough in Chachapoya scholarship was the recovery a decade ago of more than 200 well-preserved mummy bundles from a steep cliff above a sacred lake known as the Lagoon of the Condors. Looters initially found the more than 500-year-old funerary assemblage, leading to a salvage operation. The mummies were swaddled in cotton bundles, some embroidered with stylized faces. This mummy is among those on exhibit at a museum in Leymebamba, near the ruins.

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6 posted on 01/05/2008 8:06:47 PM PST by Candor7 (Background on Muslim Infiltration of the Pentagon, this is SERIES!)
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To: blam

bump for later


7 posted on 01/05/2008 8:14:22 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: blam
http://www.chachapoyas.com/

Photo below: Realm of the "Cloud Warriors". Reminds me of Scotland's Highlands, where dwelt my ancestors,who were called, "Children of the Mists." Clan MacGregor.

I would say this land is filled with magic.

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8 posted on 01/05/2008 8:32:29 PM PST by Candor7 (Background on Muslim Infiltration of the Pentagon, this is SERIES!)
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To: Coyoteman
Like, *PING*, dude.

Cheers!

9 posted on 01/05/2008 8:34:22 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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10 posted on 01/05/2008 9:18:24 PM PST by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: blam
Kuelap - The Machu Picchu Of Northern Peru (Chachapoyas - White, blonde haired people)

"White, blonde haired people" and tall - other Nat'l Geo articles:

"It is odd that a building of this extraordinarily large size would be located on their territorial frontier and that it would not be fortified,"

etc etc - ( shhh- another description that fits the light skinned Nephi people from the Book of Mormon? God always knew where ALL His children/lands were?

11 posted on 01/05/2008 11:21:04 PM PST by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all the time" LINCOLN)
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To: blam

I like the scenery.


12 posted on 01/06/2008 9:12:19 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, December 30, 2007)
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To: blam; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; 49th; ...

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13 posted on 01/06/2008 9:13:05 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, December 30, 2007)
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"They had strong bones and good teeth -- much better than ours," said Maria Huaman, 56, as she scrubbed a skull that featured a large hole, possible evidence of a crude form of ancient brain surgery. "I believe that our ancestors led very healthy lives."

Lima Museum.

I see nothing 'crude' about 'ancient brain surgery' the patient obviously survived the operation. What fascinates me is the evidence of several types of skull deformities. Perhaps the deformities were NOT cosmetic as we have been led to believe. We may be looking at a pathology?

14 posted on 01/07/2008 12:19:41 AM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: SunkenCiv; blam
The Archaeology of Disease. LINK.

Excerpt:The most common operation for which there is evidence in the past is trepanation - the removal of a section of skull. Thousands of examples are known. The operation was especially common in the Neolithic in Europe but it has a worldwide distribution dating from all periods. The evidence for survival is the healing and remodelling of bone around the operation site, and the high survival rate from this high-risk operation attests to the skill of prehistoric surgeons. One Peruvian skull had been trepanned no few than seven times.

The purpose of the operation, however, is unclear, although a superstitious mind might have seen it as a cure for schizophrenia, epilepsy or migraine. Its one modern clinical use is for relieving pressure in the skull following head injury, and ancient trepanned skulls have been found showing evidence of prior head injury. It may, therefore, in some cases have been genuinely effective.

15 posted on 01/07/2008 2:06:43 AM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: maine-iac7

“shhh- another description that fits the light skinned Nephi people from the Book of Mormon? God always knew where ALL His children/lands were?”

A stopped clock is right twice a day, too.


16 posted on 01/07/2008 5:27:17 AM PST by GovernmentIsTheProblem (The GOP is "Whig"ing out.)
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To: Fred Nerks

I seem to recall that a lot of South American cultures liked attaching boards and other flat items to their babies’ heads to purposefully manipulate the shape...seems to me thats where some of the deformations come from...


17 posted on 01/07/2008 9:30:27 AM PST by Alkhin (Hope looks beyond the bounds of time...)
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To: GovernmentIsTheProblem

I think the legend of Madoc has more to do with it...or some similar immigrations...


18 posted on 01/07/2008 9:31:38 AM PST by Alkhin (Hope looks beyond the bounds of time...)
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To: Candor7
Evolution of the scream.....


19 posted on 01/07/2008 10:56:36 AM PST by Dr._Joseph_Warren
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To: Fred Nerks

Whoa!

those are some mighty varied skull shapes. I’d like the see the interpretations from a forensic artist - makes one wonder about just where they DID come from...


20 posted on 01/07/2008 12:27:02 PM PST by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all the time" LINCOLN)
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