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Could actions of foreign courts affect First Amendment rights?
One News Now ^ | January 4, 2008 | Chad Groening

Posted on 01/04/2008 2:06:42 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Author and magazine editor Jed Babbin is very concerned about two cases being decided in foreign courts that he believes could have an adverse effect on First Amendment rights in the U.S.

Jed Babbin, editor of Human Events, served as a deputy undersecretary of defense in President George H.W. Bush's administration. He explains that a Muslim with possible connections to terrorist funding is using a British court to sue Dr. Rachel Ehrenfeld, an American author who wrote a book critical of Islam that sold in Britain on the Internet. And in Canada, a similar case has been brought against Mark Steyn, who republished a portion of his anti-Muslim book in a Canadian magazine.

"So now the question is, will the American courts say that a British court can't do this -- and so far they have declined to do so," says Babbin. "The case of Mark Steyn is just as bad."

Babbin says while neither the British court nor the Canadian Human Rights Commission has jurisdiction over American authors, they can create enough bad publicity to make it difficult for the authors to get future works published.

"People like Mark Steyn and Rachel Ehrenfeld are now risky business for publishers," says the journalist. "A publisher who relies on any degree of international sales or has any assets in a foreign country could be at risk by these foreign courts doing what they're doing."

Babbin says every presidential candidate should speak loudly and clearly against this encroachment of foreign law on the First Amendment.

Ehrenfeld's book is called Funding Evil: How Terrorism is Financed and How to Stop It. Steyn authored America Alone.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Canada; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; books; canada; deathofthewest; greatbritain; humanrights; jedbabbin; lawsuits; marksteyn; muslims; publishers; rachelehrenfeld; uk; unitedstates; us; usa
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1 posted on 01/04/2008 2:06:45 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: 3D-JOY; abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; Albion Wilde; alisasny; ALlRightAllTheTime; AlwaysFree; ...

PING!


2 posted on 01/04/2008 2:07:29 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I resolve to remember to write "08" on my checks.)
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To: 3D-JOY; abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; Albion Wilde; alisasny; ALlRightAllTheTime; AlwaysFree; ...

PING!


3 posted on 01/04/2008 2:07:32 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I resolve to remember to write "08" on my checks.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

bttt


4 posted on 01/04/2008 2:11:57 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
And in Canada, a similar case has been brought against Mark Steyn, who republished a portion of his anti-Muslim book in a Canadian magazine.

Not quite correct. The Canadian case has been filed in several provincial Human Rights Commissions, not in court. The Human Rights Commissions have the unique distinction of never once having ruled in the favor of the defendant in over 30 years. The case was also filed against Macleans magazine, the Canadian equivalent of Time magazine, not against Steyn personally.

FWIW, although Steyn lives in the US most of the time, he is a Canadian citizen.

5 posted on 01/04/2008 2:12:59 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Already have. or didn’t you notice?


6 posted on 01/04/2008 2:14:18 PM PST by itsahoot (Gingrich: "We don't have a peace process. We have a surrender process." (Duncan Hunter gets it.))
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To: Sherman Logan
The Human Rights Commissions have the unique distinction of never once having ruled in the favor of the defendant in over 30 years.

Lenin would have been proud...

7 posted on 01/04/2008 2:16:45 PM PST by an amused spectator (AGW: If you drag a hundred dollar bill through a research lab, you never know what you'll find)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
A publisher who relies on any degree of international sales or has any assets in a foreign country could be at risk by these foreign courts doing what they're doing.

So if a Brit muzzie buys a US published book over the internet that offends his barbarian sensibilities and subsequently wins in Brit court, then . . . ?

8 posted on 01/04/2008 2:18:08 PM PST by Jacquerie (Muslims will use our freedoms to murder us.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
He explains that a Muslim with possible connections to terrorist funding is using a British court to sue Dr. Rachel Ehrenfeld, an American author who wrote a book critical of Islam that sold in Britain on the Internet.

This clown is a very rich saudi cockroach, disguised as an "Irish citizen"...

Hot Air audio: How one wealthy jihad supporter is using UK courts to kill American free speech Mulsim “prince”, Irish citizen successfully gets book about islam funding terrorism banned.

Sheikh Khalid bin Mahfouz

OLD FR ARTICLE

There is little question in my mind that this clown's concern about abuse of islam is entirely funded by the government of Saudi Arabia.

With friends like those...

9 posted on 01/04/2008 2:19:56 PM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Babbin says every presidential candidate should speak loudly and clearly against this encroachment of foreign law on the First Amendment.

Well that kind of kills McInsane's campaign doesn't it.
Quote the nut job...

"He [Michael Graham] also mentioned my abridgment of First Amendment rights, i.e. talking about campaign finance reform.. I know that money corrupts.. I would rather have a clean government than one where quote First Amendment rights are being respected, that has become corrupt. If I had my choice, I’d rather have the clean government."

Now go back to the senate Johnny and write some more Terrorist Protection Laws with your buddies Kennedy and Kerry.

10 posted on 01/04/2008 2:29:21 PM PST by Condor51 (I wouldn't vote for Rooty under any circumstance -- even if Waterboarded!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Babbin says every presidential candidate should speak loudly and clearly against this encroachment of foreign law on the First Amendment.

First let them speak loudly and clearly against their OWN encroachment of said Fist Amendment.

McCain and Thompson first.....I'll wait.

11 posted on 01/04/2008 2:39:23 PM PST by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: Just A Nobody
Fist Amendment.

No, this is not about Massachusetts.

12 posted on 01/04/2008 2:47:26 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I resolve to remember to write "08" on my checks.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"Could actions of foreign courts affect First Amendment rights?"

No, that's why we have the 2nd amendment

13 posted on 01/04/2008 2:53:01 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Chad Groening seems like a bit of a hypocrite.

He supposedly cares about the sovereignty of the U.S., but doesn't seem to give a damn about any other country's sovereignty.

The First Amendment is only applicable to the U.S. No other country is required to have a First Amendment.

If someone wants to make money selling stuff in another country, then they need to follow the laws of that country.

It may be OK for Chinese children to play with lead-painted toys, but not American children.

If if is not OK for Canadians or English to read bad things about Muslims, then you had better not try to sell books in Canada or England that say bad things about Muslims.

In a better world it would be nice if every country could manage to support free speech, but evidently that is not the case.

And if the U.S. ever hopes to have other countries respect our sovereignty, then we had better respect theirs.

14 posted on 01/04/2008 3:03:26 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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And if the U.S. ever hopes to have other countries respect our sovereignty, then we had better respect theirs.

How dare you say such a thing!?

The knee-jerk crowd will likely kick you for that!

15 posted on 01/04/2008 3:34:47 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring
How many Freepers would defend Vivid's "right" to sell porn in Saudi Arabia?

And yet if someone we agree with like Mark Steyn is trying to sell to Canadians what Canadians now consider to be pornographic, i.e. the truth about radical Muslims, then Freepers all decide to have a hissy-fit.

16 posted on 01/04/2008 3:38:35 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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And what of the people in Canada who yearn for the freedom they traditionally enjoyed until the Pearson/Trudeau years?

I think much of the anti-American sentiment in Canada is by and of the elites, trying to keep us little peons from getting ideas from our neighbor south of the border, ideas like... uh, free speech matters and people have intrinsic worth as individuals, not as whatever interest group they came from?


17 posted on 01/04/2008 3:39:11 PM PST by coydog (Keep Canada green - paint a Liberal!)
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If the Canadian people are too blind to see that their basic human rights are being squashed, and/or they are too apathetic to do anything about it then so be it.

I wish individual Canadians well, but I sure with they would regain their collective backbone and run the Stalinists out of town on a rail ... or just throw them to the polar bears as an aid to the environment!

18 posted on 01/04/2008 3:48:42 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Canada is on your front door... Americans can’t afford to ignore it, for good or ill. Too bad nobody is doing a campaign to sell the concepts to the average Canadian.


19 posted on 01/04/2008 3:54:16 PM PST by coydog (Keep Canada green - paint a Liberal!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

At this rate Britain will be just another province of Pakistan.


20 posted on 01/04/2008 4:00:14 PM PST by Aglooka
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