"Romney’s record is good and conservative."
Posted on 01/02/2008 5:50:30 AM PST by Degaston
In addition to his own pioneer roots (i.e. Parley P. Pratt, Miles P. Romney, Eyrings, his father) Mitt Romney has certainly established his own deep LDS roots. He served a full-time mission, graduated from BYU, married in a LDS temple and served as a Bishop. Perhaps his longest experience in being in the thick of Mormonism was when he spent a decade as an LDS Stake President. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stake_President#Stake_officers for some reliable information on what a Stake President does in the Mormon/LDS church. The Mormon apologetics have been busy dealing with everything that comes with someone like Mitt running for President. I've put this thread up so Freepers could know what the Mormon apologetics are saying about this Mitt situation.
If he’s the nominee, Romney will lose in November. Not just because he’s a Mormon, though the MSM will demonize him for that. He’ll lose because he’s a flip flopper.
Anybody remember the fun we had with Kerry’s flips?
Rudy could beat Hitlery but his personal life is problematic. That leaves Fred or the Huckster.
OK, that leaves Fred.
The apologists are easily seen on this site. They support Romney solely because he’s a Mormon, totally ignoring his record.
I am certain of one thing. I don’t want the candidates on the left. So, looking at the right, I want a man who has been a governor or mayor, with experience at managing government. The Governor is a successful businessman who also saved the Olympics. The Mayor ran NYC and kept his city together after the attack.
As for other issues conservatives hold dear, the main Presidential influence would be appointments to the Supreme Court. Unless Republicans can manage to win the Presidency, Senate, and the House, all the President can do is use the pen.
Bottom line, I’ll end up voting for the candidate on our side.
-Frangibled
Romney’s record is good and conservative.
“The members of the stake presidency and stake high council hold the priesthood office of high priest. The stake presidency and the high council handle the administrative and judicial business of the stake.”
As the saying goes, we aren’t electing a pastor for president. In fact, we’d be electing a high priest. I wonder how Mitt dealt with apostate Mormons in his stake?
HAHAHAHHAHA!!
If he cannot distance himself from his church, the media will tear him apart. The Mormon rationalization for not ordaining blacks prior to 1979 is really sketchy.
“Not just because he’s a Mormon, though the MSM will demonize him for that. “
THE MSM will demonize? How about FReepers? I seriously don’t think the MSM could do a more thorough job than many here on FR.
And no, I am not an apologist, I am lapsed Catholic who could care less what church he goes to, just as I do not care about Hillary’s, Barrack’s, Fred’s, Mike’s, Duncan’s etal. religious affiliation.
You’re right on Mitt - he’s John Kerry with a better jawline.
Rudy can’t beat Hillary - he’s already demonstrated that, as well as a general lack of fitness for the office. His personal life doesn’t even need to enter into it.
The Huck? If that’s the best we can do we deserve a Dim in the White House.
Fred’s looking like the only option we have.
And thank goodness for it.
Well unlike many on this site I give you kudos for being open and up front about your religious bigotry. Most hide behind the, “It’s not his religion that bothers, me it’s his politics” lie. At least your willing to be honest. That’s more than I can say for most of your buddies.
Thanks for the PING
Who's demonized who?
The article mentions Parley Pratt, from whom Romney is descended. Parley's brother, Orson, made the following statements about Catholics & Protestants:
The gates of hell have prevailed and will continue to prevail over the Catholic mother of harlots, and over all her Protestant daughters; but as for the apostolical Church of Christ, she rests secure in the mansions of eternal happiness, where she will remain until the apostate Catholic church, with all her popes and bishops, together with all her harlot daughters shall be hurled down to hell... (Orson Pratt’s Works, p. 189-190)
"It was the apostate Catholics that first originated the idea and by them the fatal delusion has been handed down from generation to generation; and all the children that she has brought forth, or that have left her communion, have, more or less, imbibed the same great features of the apostasy. Well might the Revelator John, speaking by the spirit of prophecy, call her 'the Mother of Harlots and abominations of the earth!' It is her true name, for all the 'harlots' which she has brought forth have walked in the footsteps of their 'Mother' in declaring against new revelation, and in pretending that ancient revelation is a sufficient rule of faith. It is to be expected that as is the Mother, so will be her Harlot daughters. ...In the meantime, another harlot daughter of the Catholics--the Lutherans..." LDS Apostle Orson Pratt, Divine Authenticity of the Book of Mormon, p.40
"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces...as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. And any person who shall be so wicked as to receive a holy ordinance of the gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent of the unholy and impious act..We again repeat. Beware of the hypocritical false teachers and imposters of Babylon!” The Seer, Vol. 2, p.255
Notice that Pratt, in the first quote above said: The gates of hell have prevailed and will continue to prevail over the Catholic mother of harlots, and over all her Protestant daughters......
This is a direct reference to Jesus' words in Matthew 16:18 that the "I will build my church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it." In this one quote, Romney's extended relative has openly labeled Jesus as being a false prophet!!!
So, now that Romney's family has labeled all of us Catholics & Protestants as "whores," "harlots" & other niceties, what other labels could contemporary Mormons--not just historical Mormons--tag us with to "inspire" us to vote his way?
Why, they could call his voting base "apostates"--like all true-believing Mormons label "Christian sects." Why, they could label the "professors" of our "Christian sects" as "corrupt"--"ALL" of us! like LDS "Scriptures" testify [see Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith - History, vv. 18-20]. Why, they could label the "Christian sects'" "creeds"--ALL of them--as an "abomination in His sight." (Abomination=putrid).
Wow! Really? We're corrupt, putrid, harlot-whoring apostates according to Romney's extended family and according to his own LDS "Scripture" based-creeds. Wow! How motivating & inspiring this is to the Christian base to "get out there and vote!!!"
Ewww! You frightened me until the last line. The way Huckabee is going I imagine a school yard name calling contest instead of a Presidential race.
My first criteria for any candidate is whether they are (or profess to be) a Christian. Only after that hurdle do I look to the other factors to be evaluated. If that makes me a "religious" bigot so be it. There is no religious test for voters either and I can use whatever criteria I want. If that offends anyone - too bad.
“Wow! Really? We’re corrupt, putrid, harlot-whoring apostates according to Romney’s extended family and according to his own LDS “Scripture” based-creeds. Wow! How motivating & inspiring this is to the Christian base to “get out there and vote!!!””
You nailed it.
The mormon boys who visited me were very sweet and polite, but when I closely examine what they were REALLY saying to me, I had to ask them...
“so...you think Jesus was not competent enough to choose men who could pass on the faith? The apostles couldn’t managed to properly teach their disciples? The first generations of christians - the ones being martyred by the emperors -were too dumb to understand?...”
Their eyes got wide, but they wouldn’t budge - they told me that upon the death of the last apostle, the Church fell in to “apostasy.”
yeah...I would say that is “demonizing” a heckuvalot of people.
And they show up to your home uninvited to tell you so.
Ah, excellent job cutting to the chase with the missionary boys by focusing on their subtle indirect view of Jesus as some incompetent, bumbling leader of the church.
Mormonism is unique in that it's one of the few cults that with great subtlety but indirectly mind you, labels all three members the Godhead of the Bible as "false prophets."
It does so, as I pointed out earlier in the thread thru both comments like Orson Pratt & the LDS claim to a 100% apostasy, that Jesus was a false prophet because He failed in both his prophesy & His mission to build a hell-resistant church:
Joseph Smith’s boast: "I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet." (History of the Church, Volume 6, Chapter 19, Page 408)
There’s the evidence for direct blasphemy & slander of Jesus.
What about Heavenly Father? In Ephesians 3, the apostle Paul is writing about kneeling before the Father in v. 14…and his “glorious riches in v. 16…and his fullness in v. 19. Then Paul says: Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, to him be glory IN THE CHURCH and in Christ Jesus THROUGHOUT ALL GENERATIONS, FOR EVER AND EVER! Amen.” (Eph. 3:20-21)
LDS indirectly label the Father as one who is so weak that He couldn’t maintain His promise to ensure that glory “in the church” would continue “throughout all generations, for ever and ever!”
For the third blasphemy or slander—the slander of the Holy Spirit, what do LDS say here? Look at 1 Tim. 4:1: The Spirit CLEARLY says that in later times SOME will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.”
How do LDS commonly interpret this in their Bibles and literature? They commonly use this verse as a proof-text that there was a general 100% apostasy of the Church-at-large that occurred somewhere around the 4th century & didn’t become restored for almost 1500 years. But the apostle says that the Holy Spirit speaks “clearly” on this: In the “latter days” or “later times,” there was to be no 100% apostasy. Some, not all, would depart from the faith. LDS say with subtlety that the Holy Spirit was mistaken; His vision was somehow cloudy when it came to the “latter times.” They have the both the gall to rewrite 1 Tim. 4:1 and think nothing of trouncing all over the Spirit’s clearly stated vision to the apostle Paul.
Why is there no repentance coming from LDS leadership thru the generations and decades about this? Why is there no call for renewal & reformation from grassroots Mormons as to how their leaders have misled them?
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