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Senate passes gun bill in response to rampage
Reuters ^ | Dec 19, 2007 | Thomas Ferraro

Posted on 12/19/2007 3:47:55 PM PST by RDTF

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Congress, prodded by the deadliest shooting rampage in modern American history, passed legislation on Wednesday designed to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill.

Without objection, the Senate and House of Representatives approved the measure, which would bolster background checks for gun buyers, and sent it to President George W. Bush to sign.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: banglist; billsigning; bush; hr2640; mentallyill; vatech; virginiatech
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To: LiveFreeOrDie2001; molette67; IamMOLE; NavyDude

If I say, “from my cold dead hands”, will they call me mentally ill?


21 posted on 12/19/2007 4:09:39 PM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. General Creighton Abrams)
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To: tired1

The worst part of it is that Bush will likely sign it.


22 posted on 12/19/2007 4:16:39 PM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: RDTF
The problem I have with the law is that anyone who is ever committed to a mental institution is essentially barred for life from purchasing a firearm.

There is no period of limitation, and even being declared free of mental illness by a certified mental health professional does not create a presumption that one ought to have one's right to purchase a firearm restored. I think there might be a way to get that right back, but it's purely at the discretion of the government.
23 posted on 12/19/2007 4:17:17 PM PST by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country.)
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To: xcamel

I involutarily committed someone for 72 hours (I’m a police officer) because he goes off of his meds and gets out of hand, calling friends with suicide threats etc..

He has a concealed pistol license (CPL) in this state. His paranoia fixates on the local govt. (in his case the county govt.) but he can’t seem to tell the difference between me ( a city employee) and the county officials.

I’ve committed him 4 times in the last year for 72 hours each, and each time he get kicked to the curb by the doctors/judge.

This is the game that the defense attorney’s play. If you agree to stay voluntarily for 7 days, then again for another 7 days, the meds kick in and your not a danger to yourself or others anymore.

Then you’re free to walk out the door and have never been “involutarily committed” for 14 days or more, which is the triggering mechanism for our state to revoke your CPL.

Each time I’ve contacted him he has been closer and closer to my point of entry to his property. He is figuring out how to ambush me and my partner.

I had a heart to heart talk with his wife explaining that I would not respond to his house anymore without my rifle. The last time I contacted him he had two beer bottles in his hands and would not put them down.

I explained that had they been broken or had they been knives he would have ended up shot/dead.

I also told her she needed to convince her husband to take and stay on his meds because I didn’t want to end up shooting her husband dead in the head with my rifle in front of her kids and her.

It may have worked because I haven’t had to go back there in 6 months.

I am a strong supporter of personal firerm ownership rights and that the 2nd ammendment means what it says.

However, their has to be someone smarter than I who can figure out a solution to this problem (the one I described above) where he can continue to purchase firearms even when clearly he is crazy.

I left many of his signs of mental illness out of this to shorten the comment, but suffice it to say, he is crazy enough that he sees witches flying out of the moon and believes they are real.


24 posted on 12/19/2007 4:17:36 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (There once was a dream called, "Hippy Beat Down." The mere whisper of if caused cops to weep.m)
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To: RDTF
There were already laws to keep him from having a gun. they were not followed.
25 posted on 12/19/2007 4:18:32 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ ("Has there been a code nine? Have you heard from the Doctor?")
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To: xcamel
Think how easy it is to get someone declared “mentally ill”...

True uneasiness comes from "who" would be placed into the position of control over the medical industry twisting arms of those who tote the sheepskin to be a credible determiner of who is mentally ill.

26 posted on 12/19/2007 4:18:42 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
This doesn't seem to be a problem with the law, but rather a problem with the way it is applied by the judge.

It seems to me that the judge ought to have involuntarily committed him at least after the 3rd incident.
27 posted on 12/19/2007 4:20:41 PM PST by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country.)
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To: xcamel

Just do not ever go see a psychologist,psychoanalyst, therapist, etc. Make sure your kids are never diagnosed with ADHD, depression, etc.


28 posted on 12/19/2007 4:22:27 PM PST by EBH (Loose lips sink ships.)
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To: EBH

that doesn’t appear to be what it is saying


29 posted on 12/19/2007 4:23:55 PM PST by RDTF (Remember Pearl Harbor)
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To: The Pack Knight; TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig

my sentiments exactly.


30 posted on 12/19/2007 4:24:24 PM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: RDTF

Communist Goals (1963)

http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

 

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].


31 posted on 12/19/2007 4:26:49 PM PST by Not a 60s Hippy (They are SOCIALISTS, not Progressive, Liberal, Left Wing, Democrats, Special interest groups.)
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To: RDTF; Joe Brower
New Book: How Shyness Became a Mental Illness

"... The number of mental disorders that children and adults in the general population might exhibit leaped from 180 in 1968 to more than 350 in 1994,” notes Lane, Northwestern's Herman and Beulah Pearce Miller Research Professor. In a book that calls in doubt the facade of objective research behind psychiatry's revolution, Lane questions the rationale for the changes, and whether all of them were necessary and suitably precise...

In examining the American Psychiatric Association archives, Lane -- who argues that psychiatry is using drugs with poor track records to treat growing numbers of normal human emotions -- even came across a proposal to establish “chronic complaint disorder,” in which people moan about the weather, taxes or the previous night's racetrack results.

“It might be funny,” he says, save for the fact that the DSM's next edition, due to be completed in 2012, is likely to establish new categories for apathy, compulsive buying, Internet addiction, binge-eating and compulsive sexual behavior. Don't look for road rage, however. It's already in the DSM, under intermittent explosive disorder."


How long before they twist the desire to own firearms into a category in the DSM?


See also: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1908448/posts?page=27#27

32 posted on 12/19/2007 4:32:40 PM PST by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*RWVA)
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To: xcamel

In some quarters, you’re already mentally ill if you disbelieve the global warming ideology and the need for global governance - especially if you believe that keeping arms is a defense against your own government should they become a “domestic” enemy.


33 posted on 12/19/2007 4:33:02 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth
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To: RDTF

If you are Crazy, why don’t they revoke your right to vote too? Do you think THAT will get any Democrat’s vote?

Oh, that’s a Paradox.....


34 posted on 12/19/2007 4:33:11 PM PST by CrappieLuck
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To: tired1

Great. If you are an excersiser of your 2nd Ammendment rights, you dare not EVER seek psychiatric help if you should need it.

That is one of the major consequences of this bill.


35 posted on 12/19/2007 4:34:38 PM PST by Dogbert41
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To: All
OK, where does the NRA stand on this?
Still supporting this move?
It is time to renew...

Just sayin’

36 posted on 12/19/2007 4:37:15 PM PST by elpinta (Tagline temporarily out of service)
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To: elpinta

http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/NewsReleases.aspx?ID=10407


37 posted on 12/19/2007 4:40:14 PM PST by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*RWVA)
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To: The Pack Knight
"..who has been committed to a mental institution"

Upper income therapy loving leftists, their kids. Lots of lower income drug/alcohol professional victims. Disarm the left. Perfect.

38 posted on 12/19/2007 4:40:21 PM PST by Leisler (RNC, RINO National Committee. Always was, always will be.)
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To: RDTF

We need a roll call of who voted for this bill, and who voted against it. Does anybody here know how to find that information?


39 posted on 12/19/2007 4:45:12 PM PST by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: RDTF

FBI’s Gun Ban Listing Swells; Thousands Added To File Marked ‘Mental Defective’

By Dan Eggen
Washington Post

November 30, 2007

http://coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=LatestNews.NewsStories&ContentRecord_id=915200b0-802a-23ad-4a96-b7e1f1c89a62&Issue_id=


40 posted on 12/19/2007 4:45:37 PM PST by EBH (Loose lips sink ships.)
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