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1 posted on 12/19/2007 10:12:55 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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2 posted on 12/19/2007 10:15:46 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Tagline auction at this location, 01/01/2008)
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The sad thing about these think tanks is that they divide policy and discuss policy in fine detail and this is not how policy is made. Our process is not reasonable and our politicians are not public spirited enough for the truth to matter one way or another. It’s raw power and political calculation. A corrupt process.


5 posted on 12/19/2007 10:20:59 AM PST by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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... force consumers to buy products (like super-efficient light bulbs)...

Manufactured only by our close friend and ally: CHINA!

This president has been such a disappointment to me that I haven't the time nor the energy to compile the list. His bipartisan, compassionate conservatism may very well cost the nation the White House and it's already cost us the Congress.

6 posted on 12/19/2007 10:21:19 AM PST by fweingart (Life's a bitch. So why vote for one?)
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Congratulations Bush, this seals the deal on your status as a rotten president. He has sold us down the river, boys.

Random thought: if they can ban light bulbs, they will find a way to ban firearms.


8 posted on 12/19/2007 10:22:11 AM PST by mbs6
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Cato should just barrow my line:

No government in the 6,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don’t let this happen to you.

Our founding fathers understood this and why they demanded limited government.

9 posted on 12/19/2007 10:24:06 AM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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Typical Washington pols attempting to control the sometimes free market of goods and services.


10 posted on 12/19/2007 10:29:27 AM PST by gpapa
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I have worked in energy conservation since the Jimmy Carter farce. In my opinion, this article and all your comments concerning the Pres. and this program are a bunch of B.S.

There is many of dime that can be saved. The proof will be in the people who implement this program and not in the mandates in the law. If the automakers do it the cheap way then there is some truth to the article. Automakers have the technology to meet the mileage requirements. Incandescent lamps are a thing of the past. Where it has been important to save money, flourescent, HPS, MV and quarts have replaced these lamps long ago. We did this at our facilities more than 20 years ago. It is time that down home rural USA got off the pot and started following the example.

The proof will be in the pudding not in the law itself. Don’t bash a President for doing the right thing that should have been done long ago.

Shame on all of you.

12 posted on 12/19/2007 10:36:06 AM PST by tryon1ja
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The bill does not call for new drilling, new nuclear plants, or new coal plants. Given that energy independence is a top national security priority, this energy bill helps our enemies. I for one see no reason why I should give up one iota of privacy to government spying or the patriot act if we are going to have wide open borders and be dependent on our enemies to sell us fuel. The borders and our energy policy prove to me that we are not serious about winning the war on terror.


21 posted on 12/19/2007 11:01:44 AM PST by mysterio
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Wondering what you thought about all this.


29 posted on 12/19/2007 11:24:06 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Tagline auction at this location, 01/01/2008)
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32 posted on 12/19/2007 11:29:24 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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Bad!! But, but, but, Senor Jorge Bush said it was a good bill. But, then he is a RINOcrat, full of himself as he destroys the conservative movement. I am beginning to think he was a Marxist plant in the republican party, to destroy conservatism and republicans, then come back to them as a conquering hero.
33 posted on 12/19/2007 11:31:12 AM PST by RetiredArmy (Better prepare, come Nov 08, we have a Marxist Commissar President and Marxist Congress.)
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“”The energy bill to be signed by the president today is arguably the worst piece of energy legislation ever enacted into law.””

I’m not sure that I agree with this sentence. The way I would say it is “If the USA were a locomotive headed for a cliff, this bill is like a crepe paper barrier across the tracks...it will do nothing to slow down the locomotive”.

Although mileage standards for new autos will increase by 40%, the ‘total vehicle miles travelled’ over that period will more than double, so when the new CAFE regs are fully implemented we will be consuming more oil. In reality the bill is bad not because of what is in it, but because of what is not in it...access to more oil. That folks is what is going to hurt America more than anyone can imagine.


37 posted on 12/19/2007 12:18:11 PM PST by NRG1973
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42 posted on 12/19/2007 1:03:47 PM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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I have several light fixtures in my house that will not accept CF bulbs. Some beautiful antiques that are absolutely irreplaceable. It will cost me hundreds of dollars to replace them all. Thanks George.

I've used CF bulbs, and still use them in some places where it makes sense. But when used in high on-off frequency circuits, they will burn out in about quarter of the time as an incandescent, and cost another fortune to replace them. I will therefore just leave the lights on, it will save me money in the long run, despite using more energy overall.

One thing people don't think of is that in the winter time it will save no energy at all. Every BTU that your light bulbs put out, is a BTU that your heater doesn't have to. So with CF's, you heater will have to make up for it. An incandescents put out a lot of BTU's.

I'd better start stocking up.

44 posted on 12/19/2007 2:22:58 PM PST by Jotmo (I Had a Bad Experience With the CIA and Now I'm Gonna Show You My Feminine Side - Swirling Eddies)
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bookmark & bump


70 posted on 12/19/2007 6:25:39 PM PST by FBD
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bookmark


85 posted on 12/20/2007 9:01:09 AM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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There is a old saying that says never argue with fools........


89 posted on 12/20/2007 1:38:54 PM PST by tryon1ja
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Bush........what a jerk HE’S turned out to be.


102 posted on 12/20/2007 7:58:31 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Islam is the E-Ticket ride at Nutsberry Farm)
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I'm not so sure that the details of this legislation are the right way to go, but I absolutely disagee with the assertion that we don't need to do anything to reduce our petroleum consumption. Understand that I say this NOT out of a concern for "global warming" (which I think is pretty much a fraud) but rather because right now our petroleum consumption funds terrorism and radical Islam. We send huge amounts of money to the Wahhabists of Saudi Arabia who use that money to undermine the West. Consider this statement by former Director of the CIA James Woolsey, in testimony before the U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations on November 16, 2005
"Estimates of the amount spent by the Saudis in the last 30 years spreading Wahhabi beliefs throughout the world vary from $70 billion to $100 billion. Furthermore, some oil-rich families of the Greater Middle East fund terrorist groups directly. The spread of Wahhabi doctrine fanatically hostile to Shiite and Suffi Muslims, Jews, Christians, women, modernity, and much else plays a major role with respect to Islamist terrorist groups: a role similar to that played by angry German nationalism with respect to Nazism in the decades after World War I. Not all angry German nationalists became Nazis and not all those schooled in Wahhabi beliefs become terrorists, but in each case the broader doctrine of hatred has provided the soil in which the particular totalitarian movement has grown. Whether in lectures in the madrassas of Pakistan, in textbooks printed by Wahhabis for Indonesian schoolchildren, or on bookshelves of mosques in the US, the hatred spread by Wahhabis and funded by oil is evident and influential. On all points except allegiance to the Saudi state Wahhabi and al Qaeda beliefs are essentially the same."
In other words: Saudi Arabia = al Qaeda So we have simply got to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. I'm all for drilling in ANWAR and off of the Florida coast, but simple mathmatics prove that neither of these will make much difference. I don't have time to go through all of the criticisms of the Cato scholar, but will briefly address the safety issue. Sure, smaller cars are more at risk today, but only because some people insist on driving huge SUVs. If everyone drove a smaller car, we'd all be equal. Now, maybe this energy bill isn't the right way to go. Maybe instead of increasing CAFE standards we ought to slap a $3 or $4 dollar tax on each gallon of gas. Maybe we ought to invest more in Flexible Fuel Vehicles. Whatever, I'm open to suggestions. But my bottom line is that right now we're funding terrorism and Islamic fascism and we need to find a way to stop it.
106 posted on 12/21/2007 7:10:33 AM PST by Tom the Redhunter
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This is to the light bulb what the low-water law did to the toilet. Flush it five times to do the job one flush should have done. What is going to happen to all the lighting we now use. Sconces, chandeliers--commercial and residential. These bulbs can't be dimmed, use timers, be created with multi-watt options. This is absolutely disastrous. And those white things DO NOT last seven years. I spent $15 on one that didn't make it six months muchless 6 years! And they break and create their own environmental risks.

I am thinking of cleaning out a room and filling it will bulbs over the next four years.

115 posted on 12/21/2007 7:17:53 PM PST by MHT
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