Posted on 12/12/2007 8:23:32 AM PST by jodiluvshoes
Instead of quoting from an AP release of the story that sensationalized one aspect of a 12 page article in which he was first baited into commenting on whether Mormonism is a cult or religion (Huckabee answers, "religion") he (Hugh Hewitt) should have done due diligence...
(Excerpt) Read more at kevinmccullough.townhall.com ...
McCullough used to post on FR to promote his blog and radio show.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/user-posts?id=79988
Has Huckabee ever said how he cast his first presidential vote: Carter or Ford? Carter won AR with 65 percent. Of course, Ford was nothing to endorse either.
Actually, I did not know that Falwell supported Carter, who lost VA, in 1976. Are you sure this is correct?
Any Republican who bashes Mormons is a fool. Mormons are the most loyal Republican voters. If no Mormons existed, then NV and AZ would be as Blue as California. Ironicly while white Evangelicals and Mormons disagree on theology, they share the same political concerns.I've been thinking this lately, too. I'm certainly no Romney supporter, because he's too liberal and too untrustworthy on his new-found "conservativism", but this rounding on the guy because of his religion really makes me sick. The Mormons are hard-working, tax-paying, patriotic Americans who for the most part have been solid and consistent supporters of every conservative Republican to come down the pike.
And their reward for this solid and consistent loyalty (and SILENT loyalty, never asking for anything special in return) is a group of "conservatives" in our ranks who want to spit in their faces over some stupid difference in religious doctrines.
If an alien landed on earth and took a quick comparative religion course, he'd think we're ALL nuts, (though I hope he'd have a special distaste for the religion of murder/peace).
The thing is that anti-Mormon Republicans just won’t vote for a Mormon for president, period. They don’t even think about Mormons, and they might even vote for one for a lesser office.
He is silly and childish.
FReepers hate all the Republican candidates, and this is how they express themselves. All hate, all the time. I’m weary of it.
I’m not voting for Hucakbee, but am not going to act like these FR/DUers and call Republican candidates names.
Very childish. Very DU. It’s getting old.
Has Huckabee ever said how he cast his first presidential vote: Carter or Ford?
Good question.
My point regarding HICKabee being Carter redux is more to the point that they are both a naive yokel with a liberal core.
Personally, I don’t want a Baptist preacher in the White House ...”
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Me either, I’m with you!
I don’t want a Mormon, Catholic, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, or any other religious person....I WANT AN ATHEIST IN THE WHITE HOUSE TOO!
(sarc. off)
The Republican party can’t win elections without evangelicals. But we can’t win with only evangelicals, either, and Huckabee seems hell-bent on turning off everyone who doesn’t subscribe to his own particular brand of Christianity. If he wants to take down Romney, and I have to wonder why he’s bothering since he’s so far up in the polls, turning off 5 million potential Mormon voters by dissing their religion isn’t the way to do it.
Huckabee is articulate and glib, but too many of the ideas that trip so lightly off his tongue are assinine, to put it nicely. He needs to learn judicious discernment, or to put it more colorfully, when to speak and when to STFU.
Pinging Dano, we need your cute graphic on this Huckleberry Hound thread, 10-4, over and out! LOL
That seems to be the double-bind we find oursevles in. The choice seems to be between candidates who aren't socially conservative enough for evangelicals, or a candidate who is evangelical and socially conservative on a few key issues but practically a liberal on everything else. It's a bit depressing.
They should apologize to each other, then go to their corners and come out fighting at the bell.
I’d pay to see that.
Slick Mike.
What girlish behavior from a guy who purports to be qualified for the office of President of the United States.
No, my mistake. The Moral Majority did not help Carter get elected. It came into existence during Carter's presidency and helped to elect Ronald Reagan. I apologize for that mistake.
However, Carter did receive a lot of support from "religious conservatives" in his first run for the presidency. This was at a time before religious conservatives found a home in the Republican party.
This is from Wikipedia:
"He attacked Washington in his speeches, and offered a religious salve for the nation's wounds, which was necessary following the Watergate scandal.
"The electoral map of the 1976 election (note: the current "red state-blue state" color coding system had not been established when this graphic was created; in this case the "red" states went for Carter and the "blue" for Ford.) Carter became the front-runner early on by winning the Iowa caucuses and the New Hampshire primary. He used a two-prong strategy. In the South, which most had tacitly conceded to Alabama's George Wallace, Carter ran as a moderate favorite son. When Wallace proved to be a spent force, Carter swept the region. In the North, Carter appealed largely to conservative Christian and rural voters and had little chance of winning a majority in most states" (emph. mine).
Before Reagan most of those we call "Evangelical Christians" (I am one, BTW) identified with the Democrats because they saw the government as a way of righting social wrongs. It was a way of getting the wicked to help pay for the support of the poor. While the landscape has changed a good bit since 1979, there are still many evangelicals who don't mind using the government to effect social change.
Huckabee for example once supported a national ban on cigarettes. (I might go for that, but I'm not running for president.) I doubt that would go over very well in the tobacco states.
“I doubt the majority are real bigots, but good people being told that voting for Huck, instead of the other “sinners” in the race, will be moral, principled, and good for the soul, so to speak.”
Yes, they are trusting the ‘Christian leader’ label and not looking at the contents of the bottle.
You’ll get low expectations from soft bigotry. It’s why I call Huckabee the “Harriet Miers candidate”.
But there is a bit more bite to what Huck’s supporters have been doing under the radar screen.
When Huckabee-supporter Rev Time Rude was challenged by Deal Hudson back in August over an anti-Brownback email (he claimed Brownback ‘lacked discernment’ due to being a Catholic), he defended it by saying -
“All I was trying to say” he explained, “is that Protestants should vote for Protestants.”
http://dealwhudson.typepad.com/deal_w_hudson/2007/07/rev-rude-confir.html
The Brownback/Huckabee brawl timeline confirms that Huckabee’s team, when alerted about this email, really didn’t care - “Huckabee campaign scoffed at apologizing to Sam Brownback for Pastor Rude’s email, not condoning it, but not denouncing it either.”
http://blogs4brownback.wordpress.com/2007/08/03/more-on-the-brownbackhuckabee-brawl/
I call it trolling for bigots. Huckabee never really apologized for this behavior from his supporter, so even if he’s not religiously intolerant himself, he’s relying on it to advance his campaign. If Mr Huckabee tolerates this, I don’t think anybody owes him any apology on anything at all. Expose the hypocritical uber-Christian flipflopping tax-and-spend RINO for what he is.
“My point regarding HICKabee being Carter redux is more to the point that they are both a naive yokel with a liberal core.”
You are right... but Huckabee’s slick, he’s got some of Clinton/ John Edwards in him too.
George Will called it the Nixonian dodge - "It would be wrong to bring up X" - thereby bringing up X while pretending to decry its introduction. Huckster is using old campaign tricks to keep an unseemly issue alive.
Since the secularist journalists are clueless dolts, they wouldn't think to ask why Huckster is so innocently unknowledgable about Mormonism, when he's a SBC preacher, and the 1998 Southern Baptist convention was *in Salt Lake City* they preached the conversion of Mormons to Baptists.
In 1998, the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) descended on Salt Lake City for their annual meeting. If you think that's an unusual choice, you'd be right. The number of SBC members in Utah is negligible, but the message would be unmistakable. In spite of nearly identical political and social mores, the SBC disdained association with Latter-day Saints in Jerry Falwell's abortive Moral Majority. As is custom for such annual meetings, there is a massive proselyting effort in the environs of the city, but for Salt Lake, the SBC produced a 50 minute video entitled, "the Mormon Puzzle" and distributed to ALL 40,000 Baptist congregations sending delegates to the meeting. In addition, the SBC also printed over 12,000 copies of "Mormonism Unmasked" The materials characterized Mormonism as a dangerous cult (a dehumanizing Evangelical perjorative) and a major threat to SBC interests. However it mainly instructed "messengers" on how to attack the beliefs of their Mormon targets. There was little doubt that this provocative action by the SBC was designed to be a showdown--the mainstream press sent its largest contingent ever to the Salt Lake City annual meeting, hoping for open warfare. In the end, Mormon church leadership simply encouraged its members to be courteous to their Baptist brethren and the story evaporated.
Now here is the kicker: Huckabee attended and gave a major speech at the 1998 Southern Baptist Pastor's Conference held in Salt Lake City in conjunction with their National Convention.
Source: http://www2.arkansasonline.com/news/1998/jun/08/huckabee-us-gave-religion/
He cannot ask "innocently" nor feign not knowing what the SBC thinks of Mormonism. He was there.
More Huckabee supporters with Mormons ‘concerns’ ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/28/us/politics/28repubs.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1196265672-IdzKIpM06Zr5r/mDcU4n3g&oref=slogin
“Mr. Huckabee’s advisers admit privately they are cognizant of how Mr. Romney’s religion can work against him and how Mr. Huckabee’s evangelical roots are to their advantage at least among some voters....
At a recent Huckabee event in Iowa, Glenda Gherkey, an evangelical from Evansdale, posed a question to the candidate.
“I’m concerned a lot of Christians are thinking about the values issues and forgetting about the creator behind the values issues,” Ms. Gherkey said. “I guess I feel like this country and this world needs a president who would be able to pray to the God of the Bible and he would be able to hear his prayers.”
She wondered, Would Mr. Romney’s prayers “even get through”?
In response, Mr. Huckabee said he did not want to “speak for any other candidate or denigrate them at all.”
But he added: “My views are what they are. I don’t think I’ve ever hidden where they come from.”
He then tried to make a joke: “I’m glad you’ve made your choice for me. I don’t care why. I’m just glad you did.”
Huckabee - the GOP’s ticket over the cliff.
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