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Gunman wounds 4 in missionary center
Associated Press ^ | 9 December 2007 | Associated Press

Posted on 12/09/2007 5:27:53 AM PST by mrhansen

DENVER - A gunman walked into a training center for young Christian missionaries in a Denver suburb early Sunday and opened fire, wounding at least four people.

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The shooting happened at about 12:30 a.m. on Sunday at the Youth With a Mission center, Arvada Police spokeswoman Susan Medina said.

The extent of the injuries was not clear, and the gunman was still at large Sunday morning.

According to its Web site, Youth With a Mission has about 1,000 locations worldwide and trains people to become missionaries. About 50 people were inside the Arvada site when the gunman opened fire.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; antichristian; banglist; christian; christianpersecution; christianstudents; colorado; denver; dorm; missionary; persecution; rkba; schoolshooting; shooting; ywam
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To: RDTF

Think the FBI will investigate this as a hate crime?

Not a chance. . .


41 posted on 12/09/2007 11:52:43 AM PST by CondorFlight (I)
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To: mrhansen
According to the always-reliable AOL News, the shooter had a beard and was wearing a skull cap.

Hmmm. Since it probably wasn't an orthodox rabbi, I wonder who else dresses like that?

42 posted on 12/09/2007 12:00:42 PM PST by white trash redneck (Everything I needed to know about Islam I learned on 9-11-01.)
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To: mrhansen; RDTF; All

FOX NEWS,,,Another shooting~~~Colorado Springs~~~4 Shot~~~


43 posted on 12/09/2007 12:47:43 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

oh no


44 posted on 12/09/2007 12:49:42 PM PST by RDTF (Remember Pearl Harbor)
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To: RDTF

Sounds like the same guy~~~M-16 used~~~


45 posted on 12/09/2007 12:51:31 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

I started a thread in breaking news


46 posted on 12/09/2007 12:52:47 PM PST by RDTF (Remember Pearl Harbor)
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To: RDTF

The threads keep getting pulled - what’s up?


47 posted on 12/09/2007 12:53:47 PM PST by livius
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

the thread got deleted


48 posted on 12/09/2007 12:53:48 PM PST by RDTF (Remember Pearl Harbor)
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To: RDTF

http://www.kktv.com/


49 posted on 12/09/2007 12:54:07 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: livius

I don’t know


50 posted on 12/09/2007 12:55:07 PM PST by RDTF (Remember Pearl Harbor)
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To: white trash redneck
Hmmm. Since it probably wasn't an orthodox rabbi, I wonder who else dresses like that?

Not video games or even atheism, then?

Suddenly I'm not surprised.

51 posted on 12/09/2007 1:09:04 PM PST by Salman
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To: LucyJo
I don’t remember things like this happening when I was a kid...of course, there are many things happening now that didn’t happen then!

We didn't hear about them so much, or so quickly at any rate. No CNN, no Fox, etc. No internet either, linking to what would have been a local or regioinal story in the "old days"

Remember Charlie Starkweather?

52 posted on 12/09/2007 1:11:24 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: smeghead75
my son went there and is planning on going back there in Jan
He told me there was a third death...but not anyone he knew...
53 posted on 12/09/2007 1:12:40 PM PST by Gone_Postal (We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat)
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To: LucyJo

Meant to add, Miss Kathryn says “hi”. I was holding her when I started that post, but a rather massive BM interrupted. :)


54 posted on 12/09/2007 1:13:06 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Gone_Postal

he also said they think it was someone how attended the school at one time


55 posted on 12/09/2007 1:14:32 PM PST by Gone_Postal (We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat)
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To: Gone_Postal
he also said they think it was someone how who attended the school at one time
56 posted on 12/09/2007 1:15:18 PM PST by Gone_Postal (We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat)
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To: All

http://www.ywam.org
http://www.ywamdenver.org/home.htm

#

http://www.huliq.com/44340/youth-mission-staff-killed-denver

“Youth With A Mission Staff Killed In Denver”

ARTICLE SNIPPET: “One male and one female in their mid twenties have since died. The two deceased are Tiffany Johnson, DOB 06/19/1981; and Philip Crouse, DOB 01/31/1983. Information provided by Youth with a Mission is that Ms. Johnson was from Minnesota and Mr. Crouse was from Alaska.

The other victims are male ages 22 and 23. One is in critical condition and one is in stable condition.”

ARTICLE SNIPPET: “Suspect is described as a white male possibly 20 years of age. He was wearing a dark colored jacket and dark colored beanie AKA skull cap. He may have had a beard and may have worn glasses. Anyone with information on this crime is asked to call Arvada Police at 720-898-6900.

Youth with a Mission is a world wide organization where young American and international students learn to become missionaries. While it is on Faith Bible Campus, it is not directly connected with the church. Witnesses of the shootings were initially brought to the Arvada Police Department but have now been relocated to a safe location.”


57 posted on 12/09/2007 1:26:30 PM PST by Cindy
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To: appalachian_dweller; GladesGuru; QBFimi
Man, I was having lunch today with freepers QBFimi and Glades Guru. Haven't seen a thing on this. We had a great lunch, however. The only other time I've ever hooked up with another freeper for a social occasion was when you & Clyde spent that wonderful time with us. Freepers need to hang out more. Those two are some great guys and have they got the EXPERIENCES! WOW. It's nice having allies in a land where I was born and raised and yet now feel so alien.
58 posted on 12/09/2007 1:43:19 PM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: El Gato

LOL. FReeping was a very moving experience for her!


59 posted on 12/09/2007 5:44:57 PM PST by LucyJo
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To: Tree of Liberty

Thank you for the correction of the term. Yours does make more sense.

I understand your reasoning about correlation and causation with regard to persons who are mentally well balanced. The kid from Omaha had a history of depression and mental instabiliity. I don’t know that the games “caused” him to do what he did, but I think they could have played into his decision to end his life in that manner.

Focusing his full concentration on the games may have provided the means to desensitize him, give him the ability to dehumanize the victims, and blunt the reality of what he was doing to innocent people.

Worse, he may have had a full realization of exactly what he was doing, and just didn’t care...for whatever reason. He wanted fame, and to - as he described it - “go out in style”. 24/7 news coverage followed similar senseless incidents, such as Columbine, etc. He wouldn’t be the first young guy who thought that was “cool”. It must have been enough for him to know that the coverage would happen in his case, even if he didn’t live to see it.


60 posted on 12/09/2007 6:22:59 PM PST by LucyJo
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