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Episcopal Church faces possible major defection
Reuters ^ | December 5, 2007 | Michael Conlon

Posted on 12/06/2007 9:41:16 AM PST by NYer

CHICAGO (Reuters) - The U.S. Episcopal Church faces major tumult this week when an entire California diocese with more than 9,000 members decides whether to secede in an unprecedented protest over gay issues.

The Episcopal Diocese of San Joaquin, based in Fresno and consisting of nearly 50 churches in 14 counties, would be the first diocese to bolt from the U.S. branch of the 77-million-member global Anglican Communion if Saturday's final vote passes.

The U.S. church and Anglicanism generally have been in upheaval since 2003 when the Episcopal Church consecrated Gene Robinson of New Hampshire as the first bishop known to be in an openly gay relationship in more than four centuries of church history.

Dissent over that as well as the blessing of same-sex unions practiced in some congregations has caused a number of defections by traditionalists in the U.S. church.

The 2.4 million-member U.S. church says that out of 7,600 congregations 32 have left, meaning that a majority of members of those congregations have departed and the churches are now considered closed. Another 23 have voted to leave, meaning that significant number of members have said they want to leave.

None of the church's 110 dioceses, however, has taken the final step to depart so far. Dioceses in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and Fort Worth, Texas, have also taken preliminary votes to leave, but their final decisions are a year away.

Bishop John-David Schofield, head of the San Joaquin Diocese, says leaving the U.S. church is "a sensible way forward" and one that could later be reversed if "circumstances change and the Episcopal Church repents."

In the meantime his diocese has received what he calls a "welcome" invitation to realign itself, should the vote be affirmative, with the Anglican Church of the Southern Cone of South America headed by conservative Archbishop Gregory Venables of Argentina.

That, he said, will allow members to remain part of the global Anglican church.

'REMAIN EPISCOPAL'

A year ago the San Joaquin Diocese's preliminary vote to leave the Episcopal Church was overwhelming. The process requires two votes year apart.

But a secession would not be unanimous. An organization called "Remain Episcopal" is opposing it and says its members will remain in place as the duly recognized Episcopal Church even if the bishop, some clergy and other congregants leave.

Katharine Jefferts Schori, presiding bishop of the Episcopal Church, urged Schofield in a letter earlier this week not to pull his flock out, saying "the church will never change if dissenters withdraw from the table."

She also made it clear what would happen if he did: A process that could eventually allow her to "depose" the bishop, declare the diocese vacant and allow those who want to remain to form a new church leadership.

The Episcopal Church also says it has control over all property and once a congregation leaves it has to find another place to worship. That contention has been challenged in several court cases, including one in Virginia where property dating back to Colonial times and worth millions of dollars is in dispute.

A spokeswoman for the San Joaquin Diocese said the property issue had yet to be addressed. (Editing by Andrew Stern and Jackie Frank)


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: California
KEYWORDS: anglican; ecusa; episcopal; fresno; gay; generobinson; homosexualagenda; homosexualbishop; sanjoaquin; schism; schori; tec
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The Right Reverend Gene Robinson becomes the Ninth Episcopal Bishop of New Hampshire, and the first openly gay Bishop in the Episcopal Church, in Concord, New Hampshire March 7, 2004. The U.S. Episcopal Church faces major tumult this week when an entire California diocese with more than 9,000 members decides whether to secede in an unprecedented protest over gay issues.
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1 posted on 12/06/2007 9:41:18 AM PST by NYer
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To: Huber; sionnsar

Ping!


2 posted on 12/06/2007 9:41:33 AM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer
I'm here, I'm queer, and I look FABULOUS!

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Hey, does this hat make my butt look big?

3 posted on 12/06/2007 9:44:03 AM PST by -=SoylentSquirrel=- (I'm really made of people!)
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To: NYer
Oh, Jee-thuth!

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4 posted on 12/06/2007 9:44:59 AM PST by -=SoylentSquirrel=- (I'm really made of people!)
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To: -=SoylentSquirrel=-

What is so noticeable is that there are no religious markings on his “vestments” anywhere.


5 posted on 12/06/2007 9:49:22 AM PST by 353FMG (Hillary - Al Qaeda's Dream Woman)
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To: 353FMG

Good catch.


6 posted on 12/06/2007 9:50:28 AM PST by agere_contra (Do not confuse the wealth of nations with the wealth of government - FDT)
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To: NYer
the 9th Episcopal Bone Smuggler of NH sez!.

Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me....


7 posted on 12/06/2007 9:53:27 AM PST by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: -=SoylentSquirrel=-

Never play chess with an Episcopalian because they can’t tell a bishop from a queen. Anglicans are OK, though. I loved this lady bishop’s notion that the church will never change if these people leave. How dumb is she?


8 posted on 12/06/2007 9:57:45 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: Vaquero

is that a staff in your hand, or are you just happy to see me?


9 posted on 12/06/2007 10:02:24 AM PST by robomatik
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To: NYer

Defections indicate DEFECTS.........


10 posted on 12/06/2007 10:07:16 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: 353FMG
What is so noticeable is that there are no religious markings on his “vestments” anywhere.

Wow, I didn't notice.

11 posted on 12/06/2007 10:08:23 AM PST by donna (Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.)
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To: agere_contra
Jesus told Peter to feed his sheep........
12 posted on 12/06/2007 10:09:00 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: NYer

Good to see that there are good Californians who will stand against this abomination that is the modern, liberal Episcopal Church.


13 posted on 12/06/2007 10:15:56 AM PST by ohioman
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To: NYer

That smug grin is really annoying.


14 posted on 12/06/2007 10:18:20 AM PST by Redleg Duke ("All gave some, and some gave all!")
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To: 353FMG
What is so noticeable is that there are no religious markings on his “vestments” anywhere.

Yes there are. They are emblematic of New Age pagan nature worship, which is infesting every leftist church in the nation, as planned.

15 posted on 12/06/2007 10:18:23 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: 353FMG
"What is so noticeable is that there are no religious markings on his “vestments” anywhere."

Is that Big Bird on his hat?

16 posted on 12/06/2007 10:20:13 AM PST by antinomian (Show me a robber baron and I'll show you a pocket full of senators.)
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To: NYer

Looks like a “happy homo” doesn’t he?


17 posted on 12/06/2007 10:22:30 AM PST by davisfh
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To: Carry_Okie

As the cliche goes, I did not leave the Epsicopal Church, the Epsicopal Church left me.

It’s becoming more and more difficult to remain a member of the Epsicopal Church. Not sure how much longer I can stay.


18 posted on 12/06/2007 10:25:39 AM PST by visionary
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To: 353FMG
"What is so noticeable is that there are no religious markings on his “vestments” anywhere."

All he needs now is one of those tiny little motorcycles and he could ride around with the Shriners in parades.

19 posted on 12/06/2007 10:28:51 AM PST by joebuck
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To: NYer
Why should any person which knows and accepts God's word, publically
condone this open behavior which only mocks God's word?

The fact that's it's even taken this long to make this decision to defect is ludicrous.

20 posted on 12/06/2007 10:31:59 AM PST by sirchtruth (No one has the RIGHT not to be offended...)
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