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Like I said yesterday in another thread, here's one good way to deal with this problem:


1 posted on 11/16/2007 5:58:29 PM PST by mngran2
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MSNBC forgot the smiley face icon in title.


2 posted on 11/16/2007 6:01:20 PM PST by Eddie01
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Thank you..Ready, Aim, FIRE!!!


3 posted on 11/16/2007 6:01:22 PM PST by PROCON
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It is no wonder since Congress seems to be cheerleading for the terrorists. The fact that we’re having these desertions in an all volunteer Army says a lot about the question of liberals and Congressional traitors undermining the war effort.


4 posted on 11/16/2007 6:03:23 PM PST by caisson71
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It's a time of war, so deserters should be shot.

That last statement is so simple even a liberal/democRAT/socialist could understand.

5.56mm

5 posted on 11/16/2007 6:04:48 PM PST by M Kehoe
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...And the rate through the 90’s was... What?


6 posted on 11/16/2007 6:04:49 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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I’m assuming the numbers include those who joined with the intention of causing problems. Like Scott Beauchamp (yes, I know he’s not a deserter, just a seditious bastard).
8 posted on 11/16/2007 6:07:40 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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80% of the common sense and brain-cells in Congress have deserted in the same time period....but there’s no trumpeting of THAT fact.


10 posted on 11/16/2007 6:11:13 PM PST by traditional1
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9 out of 1000? That's nearly 1%!!!! Oh the hugh manatee!

Not happy about those figures, but I think that a less than 1% rate of total screwups is not worth the newsprint. As an employer, I'd be ecstatic if only 1% of the people I hired were total failures.

And, better that they went AWOL than quit in combat.

11 posted on 11/16/2007 6:12:39 PM PST by wbill
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MSNBC What a bunch of idiots they give no context to these retarted summations... Obviously leaving after boot-camp like the phony war writer is not deserting.... OK MSNBC lets get a real tally simple question....

HOW MANY DESERTED WHILE THEY WERE IN THE WAR ZONE ?

What none... zero...

So much for your liberal attempts to sway publica opinion against our bravest.


14 posted on 11/16/2007 6:15:49 PM PST by tomnbeverly (The sour sounds of liberal whining is sure to scare away any chance of success.)
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The soldier is then discharged as a deserter.

More junior high level understanding by a so-called journalist. The soldier is declared a deserter in order to move him from the unit roster and the service active strength. Subsequent discharge is the province of court-martial or administrative discharge board.

May sound petty to some but as a former Navy personnelist I find such sloppiness infuriating.

Oh, as to the 80 percent increase, a doubling of one is two. There are not thousands upon thousands of deserters.

15 posted on 11/16/2007 6:17:42 PM PST by jimfree (Freep and ye shall find.)
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In any very large organizations there will always be some losers.

It’s not surprising that desertions are up, since the penalties for deserting have steadily decreased.

Also, you always get these kinds of adjustments when a period of peace gives way to a period of war—namely, because of people who signed up not expecting to have to fight. Many of those make the accommodation to the new and tougher conditions, but some don’t.


16 posted on 11/16/2007 6:18:07 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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According to the Army, about nine in every 1,000 soldiers deserted in fiscal year 2007

9 in a 1000! We are doomed! Soon there will be no army left! Give me a break. How does this compare to the years before the war?
17 posted on 11/16/2007 6:18:37 PM PST by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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These numbers aren’t all that bad but the real shame falls on the Democrats in congress and elsewhere in government who have promoted division in the time of war and cast dispersion onto the honor of our troops. This is really a non story which is trying to shift momentum back to failure now that Iraq back on track and is going to be a clear success if let continue on the current track.

The real story is how Iraq is quickly becoming a non story and how the beating of a dead horse by the Democrats in trying to end a war that will end of its own accord when the work is done has really left the antiwar movement with zero momentum. Eventually it will become a joke if it hasn’t already become one in the eyes of the general public who aren’t passionately behind a withdrawal no matter how dissatisfied they’ve been with the progress of the war.

The problem the Democrats and the antiwar fools have is a simple one and that is Iran and the clear prospects of a withdrawal from Iraq leaving the whole region to fall under a nuclear Iran with the inevitable conclusion of the eventual formation of a radical Islamic superpower in the MiddleEast. Does anyone in their right mind desire that to happen? No. Iran keeps the focus on the real threat and the more the focus of the war shifts to Iran the greener the prospects for Iraq become.

Iran is the elephant in the room and the Democrats who want to play Healthcare are idiots if they think they can raise taxes and ignore Iran and win the White House. They are going to implode if they continue on their current tirade of dangerous silliness. This is not a time for domestic politicians it is a time for leaders who know how to engage very real enemies not with words but with overwhelming force.

The modern world can not afford the cost of barbarian regimes with nuclear weapons. This is not a game where playing nice is an option. This is a game that our enemies are playing for keeps and electing a woman in a pantsuit will not scare them into submission but instead most probably further strengthen their resolve.


18 posted on 11/16/2007 6:20:41 PM PST by Maelstorm
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80 percent sounds like a big number.

If one Troop was AWOL last year, and two Troops went AWOL this year than that would be a 100 percent increase.

The percent BS has been used to manipulate opinions endlessly.

Usually it involves taxes.

19 posted on 11/16/2007 6:20:48 PM PST by Radix (If your outgo exceeds your income, your upkeep will be your downfall.)
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The military, like all organizations, has its bad ones. It’s also possible that some of these deserters signed up before 9/11, and were not expecting to actually be sent to a war.


20 posted on 11/16/2007 6:21:20 PM PST by Irish Rose (Will work for chocolate.)
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"highest rate since 1980,"

In other words, desertions after five years of conflict under President Bush, not as high as after four years under democrat Jimminy Carter.

21 posted on 11/16/2007 6:21:45 PM PST by joshhiggins
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I hate these dumb ass articles the leftest media cranks out to subvert the military and the country. We could have gone from one desertion to two desertions. That would be a 100% increase and look really bad!


27 posted on 11/16/2007 6:40:54 PM PST by TheLion (How about "Comprehensive Immigration Enforcement," for a change)
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World War II desertion rates peaked at 6.3 percent:

[In World War II, desertion rates reached 6.3 percent of the armed forces in 1944, and during the American reverses at the Battle of the Bulge, the army executed one American soldier, Private Ernie Slovik, for desertion in the face of the enemy as an example to other troops. Desertion rates dropped to 4.5 percent in 1945.]

http://www.answers.com/topic/desertion


29 posted on 11/16/2007 6:44:54 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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What, statistically, do these figures REALLY represent??

One could say that TB has increased 50% in the U.S. in recent years, but since TB was practically non-existant here a few years ago, a percentage increase like that would be statistically meaningless.

Its interesting that desertions from the Marines are practically non-existant.


30 posted on 11/16/2007 6:57:05 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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Desertion Rates Actual numbers and % 1997-2004

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/justicelawlegislation/a/desertionrates.htm


38 posted on 11/16/2007 8:06:41 PM PST by tlb
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