"Caught caught caught," indeed. *snort*
Posted on 11/16/2007 8:10:31 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
The Anti-Defamation League plans to ask Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul to distance himself from extremist groups.
Paul, a U.S. congressman from Texas, has come under fire for the support his campaign has enjoyed from leading white supremacist and neo-Nazi groups.
His campaign reportedly has accepted a donation from Don Black, the owner of the white supremacist Web site Stormfront. Sites for several extremist groups also feature prominent links supporting Paul's candidacy.
ADL's assistant director of civil rights, Steven Freeman, told JTA his organization planned to communicate with Paul privately and urge him to distance himself from those groups.
"If he doesn't do that, then we will decide what we're going to say publicly about it," Freeman said.
Paul thus far has refused to return the campaign contribution from Black. In response to a question from a reporter for Reason magazine, a campaign spokesperson said, "If people who hold views that the candidate doesn't agree with, and they give to us, that's their loss."
The ADL previously has taken candidates to task for their ties to supremacist groups. Last year the organization slammed Larry Darby, a Democratic candidate for attorney general in Alabama, after he attended a meeting of the National Vanguard, a splinter group of the National Alliance. Darby was defeated.
In October 2001, the ADL commended New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani for rejecting a $10 million donation to a 9/11 relief fund from Saudi Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal. Giuliani, like Paul, is a Republican presidential candidate.
You can start here
From another article:
.... One of its sources was Roy Bullock, a person who collected information and provided it to the ADL as a secretly-paid independent contractor over 32 years. Bullock often wrote letters to various groups and forwarded copies of their replies to the ADL, clipped articles from newspapers and magazines, and maintained files on his computer. He also used less orthodox, and possibly illegal, methods such as combing through trash and tapping into the White Aryan Resistance's phone message system to find evidence of hate crimes. Some of the information he obtained and then passed on to the ADL came from confidential documents (including intelligence files on various Nazi groups and driver's license records and other personal information on nearly 1,400 people) that were given to him by San Francisco police officer Tom Gerard. (Richard C. Paddock, "New Details of Extensive ADL Spy Operation Emerge," Los Angeles Times, April 13, 1993, A1)
Worked up I am. I do not think Ron Paul has a snowball chance in Hades but one thing that appeals to me is he tells it like he thinks it is and I cannot find where he changes according to the wind or polls. I get worked up anytime this racism crap comes in and that is what the PC Crowd means about “Skinheads.†I have never had anything to do with the Klan or Skinheads personally but have worked around their meetings. This racism crap is nothing but a bunch of B/S that is used as a wedge and so many Americans are stupid when it comes to slavery. My first recollection of slavery started in Egypt and those people were not white and they sold their own brother. Slavery is going on today in America in just a milder form. That is what illegal aliens are in a lot of cases. You can say they come here to better themselves but from most accounts and I do say most slaves in America were bettering themselves also. You never hear of indentured servants,wonder why? Also one must remember the slaves that came to America were also sold by their own people. This pointing fingers and using PC is way out of hand. I admire Ron Paul and disagree like heck with him on many things but I feel the same about Bush. Some of the things I disagree with Bush on will probably be proven correct by History, I am just sorry I wont be around to see it. But one thing I know for a fact, there has never been a more crooked Regime in the White House than the Clintons and I include the visitors in that scenario.I guess Bill will step in and take over in confrontational situations like he tried in the debate. America will never see greatness again./p>
Medved is a fricking Giuliani butt-kisser too, and in turn Rudy Fruity is endorsed by none other than Pat Robertson.
I'm sure you're going to denounce this too, or are you still licking your wounds FReeper George W. Bush gave you in that one thread.
Post #51, great smackdown. ROFL *snort*
ROFL, the poster just told you he didn't support Paul. Get hooked on phonics, will ya?
Ron Paul did not write any “columns” for Willis Carto’s New American. He writes his “columns” and they are open source. Anyone can reprint or distribute them that wants to.
I suppose you want Ron Paul to say that anyone can reprint or distribute my “columns”, except a, b, c, etc.
While there are a few people trying to cash in on Ron Paul’s popularity, most of his supporters are also open sourcing all of their ideas. E.g. there is one supporter producing professional looking DVD’s for distribution at virtually cost.
That is not my idea of Libertarians. I thought they agreed with “free association” of people as long as they did not use force to promote their ideas. Sorta of like the ACLU went to court to fight for the right of the KKK to stage a “peaceful” march in Skokie (sp?) IL.
I saw Ron Paul on an interview and he claimed that he has never called a supporter and asked for a donation. “He is just not comfortable with doing that.” He said that most of his fund raising has been done through direct mail. He presents his ideas and if you agree with them, you can contribute to his campaign and support his ideas, not your ideals.
Since he has not personally requested funds from any person or group, he is not beholden to any person or group in any way. All of his funds have come from people, who have voluntarily contributed to his campaign. To make a big &*$# deal out of a $500 contribution from a wacko and ignore almost all of the other candidates actively, personally soliciting funds from people which, however marginally, puts them in a situation of owing those people something is ridiculous.
If Ron Paul would win the election, he would be the first candidate in many, many years who owes nothing to anybody. No PAC’s, no bundlers, etc. just the average American people, most of which contributed a small amount of money.
His campaign is not very aggressive in trying to raising campaign funds. If you sign up for e-mails from his campaign, you get like two fund raising e-mails a month, and they are very low keyed.
... and I can stop right there, as well, given the NYT's demonstrable and long-standing tendencies towards Jew-bashing, outright. Any sources not resting comfortably in the PLO's hip pocket...?
No one ever really likes the oafish, stumblebum party guest who -- long after having reeled drunkenly into one of the host's closets and promptly vomiting all over his own shirtfront -- obdurately refuses to take even the least subtle hints that the dubious pleasure of his company is no longer appreciated.
Take a hint.
Aren’t they a racist, extremist group that hates whites, Christians and America? Am I mistaken?
“No” and “yes,” in that order.
Feel free to cite any actual evidence to the contrary, certainly, via verifiable online links.
“”””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””’’’
I appreciate you taking the time to respond. And your idea of cites is a good one..
If you have any information that shows the JADL is equitable in it’s treatment of all Americans that would be great. Any examples where they have consistently argued for the rights of whites and Christians would be much appreciated .
I am just trying to correct my perceptions or mis perceptions as the case may be.
I would appreciate any those cites you spoke of to support your points as I would really like to know..(that cite idea was good point of yours.)
Maybe it would help me understand why the JADLs was reputedly involved in that spying/intelligence gathering incident? Did they not do that? Also why they went from JADL to ADL...
Are they callously using minorities to bash whites for some hidden purpose?
Is this a situation where All Cows are Sacred only Some Cows are more Sacred than others?
You see I am not reflexively condemning anyone. I am also no longer willing to give one group or the other unexamined Carte Blanche especially on the basis of their support in the Main Stream Media as IMO they cannot be trusted.
W
Nuh-uh. YOU'RE the one who raised the initial insinuation ("Aren’t they a racist, extremist group that hates whites, Christians and America?"; the assumptive "aren't they" at the beginning of said sentence plainly seeking to establish said assertion as an accepted "given," right from Jump Street.) in the first place. It's up to YOU, therefore, to either support your libel, or else withdraw it.
Neither my place nor my responsibility to attempt to "prove" a negative, obviously. The burden of proof lies with the claimant making the initial contested assertion.
Again: "Feel free to cite any actual evidence to the contrary, certainly, via verifiable online links."
So sorry, but the court records are not due to "Jew-bashing, outright". You don't like the facts of the ADL's spying on people, so you attack the source. Whether they come from the NYT or the National Review, the facts remain the same. Although I do find it funny that you think the Sulzbergers are Jew bashers.
Caught Caught Caught lol
I made no insinuation, I have simply followed the time honored methods of the Main Stream Press.
I merely asked questions with regards to the Jewish Anti Defamation league.
The first of which was,
Aren’t they a racist, extremist group that hates Whites, Christians and America? Am I mistaken?
You answered definitively.
” “No” and “yes,” in that order. “
You are the only one who made an assertion. Not I ...lol
Now, Is it your evasiveness or your inability to bring forth evidence supporting your assertion that brings potential legitimacy to the stated concerns? Perhaps it is both?
Is there something in the question, some point that JADL supporters like yourself are trying to suppress? To hide?
Considering you forth no defense. What should a reasonable person conclude?
Yes they are a Racist Group that hates Whites, Christians and America and no I was not mistaken?
That’s not clear,
Just because you put forth an intellectually vacuous defense does not mean definitively they are racists that hate Whites Christians and America..
They may be, but at this point the intellectually honest thing to do is to accept there is as of yet insufficient information on the table to make a definitive conclusion either way.
After all, aren’t we just looking for the truth here? :)
I must also be frank I am not comfortable using your inadequate defense to make any sort of definitive conclusion
myself.
It may be that a less flaccid defender could carry the day and support your position.
Slander?...lol
Look up the word... Slander or perhaps you mean libel are not at issue when one merely asks a question.
No matter how you howl and whine... your stuck.
Defend the JADL using cites and quotes (Your chosen standard) where they clearly are defending Whites and Christians, that would at least be something.
Or the question still remains..
Troublesome and Disturbing..lol
Isn’t that how the Main Stream Press that featured the JADLs assertions puts it so often?
Could the JADL be the Pot Calling the Kettle Black?
“Inquiring minds want to know” rotflol
Now Fish or Cut Bait
W
Like I said before if the JDL had something to say about this issue I would consider their words. Meir Kahane was a man worthy of respect.
As far as the JADL... I will repeat.. Who are they?
You really need to get out more, then:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3298371,00.html
The tired old "well, another Jew said it, so nyaahh nyaahh" wheeze is unfailingly the dead giveaway that its speaker is roughly as kosher knowledgeable (or, for that matter, kosher friendly), themselves, as a bag of pork rinds; and, therefore, talking out of their @ss.
Again: you're profoundly out of your depth on this one, plain and simple. "Read More About It," as the saying goes... and then get back to me.
Screw the ADL. They are no better then the SPLC. A Marxist & socialist proponent.
"Caught caught caught," indeed. *snort*
I gave you documented proof that the ADL has spied on Americans, and it at least one case were sued successfully in court for defamation. You responded by changing the subject and attacking the New York Times. Here's a clue - the NYT didn't invent the court records. You're still ignoring the facts. Changing the subject and attacking the messenger won't help.
The tired old "well, another Jew said it, so nyaahh nyaahh" wheeze is unfailingly the dead giveaway that its speaker is roughly as kosher knowledgeable (or, for that matter, kosher friendly), themselves, as a bag of pork rinds; and, therefore, talking out of their @ss.
And now the anti-Semite card is flashed along with a personal attack, which is the unfailingly dead giveaway that its speaker has lost the debate. I never said "another Jew said it" so please don't lie about what I wrote.
Again: you're profoundly out of your depth on this one, plain and simple.
LOL, you can't deal with the subject without trying to change it. I gave you documented proof that the ADL has been sued in court for defaming US citizens, and you responded by attacking the messenger.
"Read More About It," as the saying goes... and then get back to me. Nah, you can get back to me. You'll have to do your own homework.
Here's another one from 2003 from the Jewish World Weekly (more self hating Jews I'll bet): ADL will continue to fight $9.7 million jury award
You lose.
I will write slowly.
I asked questions about the Jewish Anti defamation League
You replied to some of those questions.. and I thanked you for doing so.
I asked you to provide any supporting documentation for your answers..
You either would not or could not.
That means as of now there is no basis provided by you for considering the position taken by the Jewish Anti Defamations League with regards to Ron Paul as legitimate.
It is ok , don’t stress if this is confusing to you.. nothing for you to be ashamed of.
Times have changed and the ability of liberals, Jewish or otherwise to wave Talismans in the form of charges of racism, Antisemitism and silence critics or political opponents is past.
That’s just the way it is.
W
You're the biggest butt-smoocher here. Always pinging the Mods, always pinging Jim. I'm well aware of Jim's position on Paul without you incessantly bleating for his intervention when Paul supporters refute your garbage.
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