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Study: Black pessimism worst since 1980s
AP via MSN.com ^ | 11/14/2007 | AP

Posted on 11/13/2007 7:25:32 PM PST by RockinRight

Blacks increasingly less certain about racial progress in America

WASHINGTON - Growing numbers of blacks say they’re worse off than five years ago and don’t expect their lives to improve, a study released Tuesday shows. Black pessimism about racial progress in America, according to the study, is the worst it’s been in more than two decades.

The survey by the Pew Research Center, a Washington-based research organization, paints a mixed picture of race relations following Hurricane Katrina and the Jena Six case, in which six black teens were charged with beating a white student at a high school in the town of Jena, La.

It found that just one in five blacks, or 20 percent, said things were better off for blacks compared with five years ago; that is the smallest percentage since 1983, when 20 percent also made that claim. In-between, the percentage of blacks who said things had gotten better had grown, only to drop back to 20 percent.

Another 29 percent of blacks said things had gotten worse as opposed to staying the same, the largest number since 32 percent made that claim in 1990.

In addition, fewer than half of all blacks, or 44 percent, said they expected their prospects to brighten in the future. That’s down from 57 percent in 1986, during the height of the Reagan administration when the Justice Department actively sought to curtail affirmative action in favor of race-neutral policies.

Whites see black gains

Whites have a different view about black progress, according to the survey. Whites were nearly twice as likely as blacks to see black gains in the past five years. A majority of whites polled, or 56 percent, also said they believed prospects for blacks would improve in the future.

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KEYWORDS: economy; race; racepimps
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To: Tired of Taxes

Sorry to rain on everyone’s parade, but blame is blame, and the only nuance here is a black American taking the novel approach of blaming all his/her/their problems on the Democrats rather than the Republicans.

The black community’s plight is its own, solely its own, and no one else’s. It’s not the Republicans’ fault, and it sure as hell isn’t the Democrats’ fault.

The worse cultural and historical disaster EVER to befall the black community is ITSELF and its incompetence in getting anything done: its crime rate, its fatherless households, its lack of interest in education, and bla bla bla.

Anytime I hear any African American blaming anyone but the actual, individual members of its own community for its problems, it gives me the runs.


41 posted on 11/13/2007 9:32:28 PM PST by kbingham
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To: RockinRight
After being off-line for about a year and a half and just getting back to lurking for the last couple of months, I've got to chime in on this one.

I am now doing maintenance on industrial packaging equipment at a company that uses a lot of temp workers on the assembly lines. The temp workers are either under-educated and lacking in experience (not necessarily that group's fault in most cases here), welfare moms, hispanics of very questionable origin (the company has 'plausible deniablility' since they are all temps) dope-dealing ghetto boyz, people who's criminal records prevent them from working anywhere else and some miscellaneous other types.

I get along with nearly everyone there and have no qualms with them on a professional (if you can call it that) level so this isn't some angry 'white guy' bullsh*t.

The blacks who work there are in the lower socio-economic strata but don't seem to want for anything. The women get their 'checks', live in their Section 8's, get all the black market DVD's (and God knows what else) they want on the cheap, drive nice cars, never seem to run out of food to bring to work, are mostly overweight, party their asses off and terribly ignorant about the world outside of their BET/Hollywood influenced lives. The 'men' party their asses off, deal dope, drive nice cars and go to the women's Section 8's to watch bootleg DVDs on the Prime-Time Rentals 648" TV, you get the picture.

My honest opinion based on knowing who I know now and being exposed to their lifestyle is that the anger and resentment comes from not being able to 'roll' like those idiots that they idolize in popular media (sorry, not gonna say culture) and it's 'The Man's' fault in some way or another by their twisted way of thinking. Nevermind that the white guy sitting next to them on the assembly line doesn't wear the latest 'urban' fashion (damn I didn't even hit on that one yet) and rides the bus to work and eats from the vending machine because he is paying full rent on an apartment and utilities on line-worker pay alone.

This is what I'm seeing from my perspective.

42 posted on 11/13/2007 11:32:22 PM PST by Looking4Truth (Radical muslims and illegal immigrants: One group wants to kill U.S and the other invade U.S.)
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To: Looking4Truth
RE: my post #42.

Sorry if it sounds like I'm stereotyping, but I'm damn close.

The people I'm writing about here are nice people (for the most part), I just think that the lifestyle they lead has evolved from generations of dependency on 'the plantation' so often mentioned on this forum.

There's also personal choice. Their supervisor is a black man who is ex-Navy, educated and a good all-around supervisor who only speaks about 1% ebonics. (I'm not saying this to be a wise-ass, it's just the truth.) He made some personal choices and escaped a life of dependency and crime.

Like I read here on FR once regarding race relations: "It's not the race, it's the culture."

43 posted on 11/13/2007 11:50:12 PM PST by Looking4Truth (Radical muslims and illegal immigrants: One group wants to kill U.S and the other invade U.S.)
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To: Psychic Dice

The irony is that in the mid-70s, Jesse sounded a lot like Bill Cosby—or Malcom X without the fascist notes.


44 posted on 11/13/2007 11:57:49 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: RockinRight

Just the usual crap from the Asspress.


45 posted on 11/14/2007 12:23:41 AM PST by Luke21 (No Rudy. No way. No Mitt . No way. No McCain. No way.)
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To: RockinRight

Like homosexuals and illegals, blacks want special rights, privlidges and financial help.
This is a capitalist system not a socialist one.
Get off your butts, get educated and make something of yourself.
And quit having babies without committed mommies and daddies.


46 posted on 11/14/2007 3:00:09 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: hinckley buzzard

>>The old victim game has about run its course..

I wonder how much that plays a part in the results of this study. Many, many blacks are raised with the whole “you’re so oppressed, the white man owes you something” mentality. But today, there are more and more whites willing to push back and not be cowed by the whole “white guilt” shtick, and are willing to endure the “you’re a racist!” comments and say what needs to be said. And what needs to be said is what Cosby, Sowell, Williams, and others have been saying for years, on this topic.


47 posted on 11/14/2007 3:14:02 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: RockinRight

Another poll to make some news, gee how would we get through the day without a media created story.


48 posted on 11/14/2007 3:17:16 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: i_dont_chat

Yes, indeed blacks have a bee in their collective bonnets. It is sad to see the product of social engineering whereby people were promoted by the the color of their skin not the content of their characters. That is racial quotas legislated by guilt-ridden legislators attempting to reverse century-old discrimination. The “Peter Principal” eventually becomes the great equalizer.


49 posted on 11/14/2007 4:00:18 AM PST by Broker (Talaga!)
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To: SIDENET

“women and minorities hardest hit...”

my goodness. you forgot the children.

(when democrats do “it” for the children, are they doing “it” for the live ones or the ones into whose skulls they stick scissors?


50 posted on 11/14/2007 4:09:16 AM PST by ripley
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To: RockinRight
Sharpton hit his target again. He was taught by Jesse that no outrage sticks to a black “Leader.”

Now the black race can be kept down another fifty years to line the pockets of charlatans like the aforementioned.

51 posted on 11/14/2007 4:16:19 AM PST by billhilly (I was republican when republican wasn't cool. (With an apology to Barbara Mandrell.))
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To: RockinRight
"And furthermore, nobody alive today in the US has either been a slave, or owned one."

I understand that less than 7% of all whites in the South owned slaves, yet, most rallied to start a Civil War. Therefore, the only thing one can make sense of, is that more than 93% fought for 'states rights', not slavery.

52 posted on 11/14/2007 4:45:30 AM PST by moonman
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To: RockinRight

But they will keep pulling that rat lever. Is the point of this piece that we are in danger of losing our iron grip on our 8% of the Black vote?


53 posted on 11/14/2007 4:52:58 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatives live in the truth. Liberals live in lies.)
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To: kbingham
Amazing ....simply amazing. I have a colleague that was one of the Viet Namese “boat people” They arrived in California penniless and not knowing but several phrases in the English language.

They both work in professional positions, have 6 children, 2 are Md's., 1 a dentist, 2 are engineers and the youngest is a systems analyst.

I’ll keep my powder dry and my mouth shut ..... to me it it is a “BFO” ... (blinding flash of the obvious)

Waike up ammmmeeeerica

54 posted on 11/14/2007 5:04:51 AM PST by HiramQuick
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To: Broker
Can’t we get over this stupid subject. Racism is a dead issue.

Thats the problem it is not dead and those who profit from it will keep beating that horse till they git one more ride.

Those who profit either politically or financially will keep reminding blacks about it till thats all they think about. Then they look for it and see it wheather it is there or not.

55 posted on 11/14/2007 5:25:20 AM PST by mouser (run the rats out its the only hope we have)
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To: kbingham

The poster made a valid point, one that has been made here on this forum again and again by many FReepers: The Democrats are in the business of holding people down, yet the people who vote for them continuously fall for their lies.


56 posted on 11/14/2007 6:33:55 AM PST by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: RockinRight

Want to race to the top of the corporate ladder? Be black and get any kind of graduate degree from Anywhere University and apply to a Fortune 500 company. That’s it.


57 posted on 11/14/2007 6:48:25 AM PST by montag813
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To: Looking4Truth
This is what I'm seeing from my perspective.

I grew up in the type of town that outsiders were afraid to drive through. Whenever I met people outside the town, and I would tell them where I was from, their reaction was often a wide-eyed: "You live WHERE? Really? OMG." The eastside of town was largely black, Italian, Spanish-speaking, in that order, and that's where I lived. (I fell in the second group.) The westside was largely white. And both ends of town were equally as scary... lol. (Oh, the stories I could tell...) Here's what I noticed: At both ends of the town, most of the people - white, black, whatever - who created their own problems had a victim mentality.

58 posted on 11/14/2007 7:05:06 AM PST by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: RockinRight; DMZFrank; Looking4Truth; kbingham; All

Do you all want to see something funny?

Another FReeper just posted a different article on the same study, but the first line reads: “A majority of black Americans blame individual failings — not racial prejudice — for the lack of economic progress by lower-income African Americans, according to a survey released Tuesday — a significant change in attitudes from the early 1990s.”

Here it is:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1925626/posts?page=1


59 posted on 11/14/2007 8:34:32 AM PST by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: RockinRight

Maybe if they didn’t spend the last 50 years bitching and moaning about being Black and actually did something with their lives they would not have been relegated to being the nations 2nd largest minority behind the latinos. Now the Mexicans get more attention than them.


60 posted on 11/14/2007 9:37:09 AM PST by mowowie
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