Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 28 October 2007

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[Alas Babylon!]

The Talk Shows

Sunday, October 28th, 2007

Guests to be interviewed today on major television talk shows:

FOX NEWS SUNDAY (Fox Network): First lady Laura Bush and Gov.-elect and Rep. Bobby Jindal, R-La.

MEET THE PRESS (NBC): Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., presidential candidate.

FACE THE NATION (CBS): Guests: Sens. Carl Levin, D-Mich., and Lindsey Graham, R-S.C.

THIS WEEK (ABC): Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.; Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. and Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., presidential candidates.

LATE EDITION (CNN) : Nabi Sensoy, Turkish ambassador; Mohamed ElBaradei, International Atomic Energy Agency chief; Sens. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., and Trent Lott, R-Miss.; former Gov. Mike Huckabee, R-Ark., presidential candidate.

[Alas Babylon!]

No president since Lincoln was a US Rep and no senator since Kennedy.

What about Gerald Ford? Wasn't he a Representative when Nixon tapped him?

[fkabuckeyesrule]

****First lady Laura Bush and Gov.-elect and Rep. Bobby Jindal, R-La.****

Darn I didn't wake up till almost 11 today. (up late watching football/baseball...no alcohol I promise) I read some good things about Jindal.

[jmyrlefuller]

I am really slipping... guess I need to step it up.

[The Pack Knight]

Huckabee saying he's more conservative than Giuliani without attacking Giuliani or stating that he isn't conservative. Considering the fact that he's basing his campaign on being a conservative alternative, it's pretty clear he doesn't think Giuliani is beatable, and he's more interesting in keeping his bridges intact.

Wolf hits Huckabee with a quote from Phyllis Schlafly, who agrees with me that Huckabee is the new "compassionate conservative", and from Pat Toomey, who says that Huckabee will lead the GOP leftward with Edwards-esque class warfare rhetoric. Huckabee rather obviously avoids the substance of both quotes by answering the first by pointing out how he won elections, and the second by talking about hunting pheasants and being kicked in the ass, which mean Toomey wouldn't be "attacking" him if he wasn't "ahead."

Sorry for bringing the primary sniping onto this thread, but it's hard for me to take this man seriously.

[Phsstpok]

Hunter takes a veiled shot at New Orleans and praises the community spirit and rapid response, saying that it will “reward” them with whatever they need to fix this.

The success of the response to the fires in California is being widely compared to the failures in New Orleans related to Katrina.  It started with some hucksters trying to say that it was FEMA responding to rich white Californians while they let poor blacks die in Louisiana.  There's BIG push back on that, and not just from the usual suspects.  A number of major media types have tried to put the clamp on that one fast. 

It is more likely that the comparison will instead point out that FEMA responded exactly the same way in both cases, precisely as they were designed to do, to come in after the fact with resources for the locals, not as first responders.  And in Louisiana the state and local governments had failed miserably in their basic duties.  In California FEMA is there and is supplying the needed resources to a competent state and local government that is getting the job done.  Lots of people have made that observation and it's beginning to become the dominant narrative.  They don't like that.

On FNS Juan tried the "poor blacks died" spin and Brit smacked him, and the entire Katrina narrative, down with gusto.  I believe that that bit of conventional wisdom may be on it's way to the ash heap of history, particularly with Bobby Jindal taking over.  Their only hope is to stop talking about it and hope no one else notices the obvious.

[Nam Vet]

I'm not sure what's going on, but KPTV in Oregon hasn't run FNS for several weeks now. I see it is scheduled for next sunday. I'm sure that hurt those ratings.

Nam Vet

[snugs]

Good point if it is not put on the local station you cannot watch it unless you have cable and then the timing may not be right for some people.

[Phsstpok]

British security expert on Fox saying that they have found explosives in candy bars that detonate when they are bitten into. Yikes!

Yikes indeed!

As snugs asked, which candy bars?  Also, was this something found in Britain or someplace like Iraq? 

[Eagles Talon IV]

I do and you are surely right.

[The Pack Knight]

He was the House Minority Leader, and I'd say he was more forced on Nixon than tapped by him. I assume Morgan was speaking about elected presidents, though.

Contrary to conventional wisdom, there's no office that's really a "stepping stone" to the Presidency. That includes the Vice Presidency, as only 4 incumbent VPs and 1 former VP have been elected President. The last incumbent before George H.W. Bush was Martin van Buren. The other two were John Adams and Thomas Jefferson, both of which were elected before the ratification of the 12th Amendment.

A lot of people think governors are the most likely to be elected, but only a minority of Presidents have ever been a governor.

A majority of Presidents were previously members of Congress. That's about the only office you can say that about.

[advertising guy]

ahhhhhhh...brown town............what a foolish comment by Nagin...........me thinks that a good republican will win in 08 HUGE...............

but again, my point is written about..Bill and Hillary allowed the catastrophy in N.O.

[The Pack Knight]

Reminds me of the Darwin Award for the guy who bit into a blasting cap on a bet. The best part is that he was the one who bet that it would go off!

For the record, he 'won.'

[The Pack Knight]

The vultures are circling the Obama campaign on CNN.

[The Pack Knight]

Interesting note: Giuliani has yet to air a TV ad.

[jmyrlefuller]

The one thing I’d say is that you’re considering all-time here, and we all know that in the long term, history changes dynamics wildly.

Let’s consider:
George W. Bush - Gov. of Texas
Bill Clinton - Gov. of Arkansas
George H.W. Bush - Diplomat, Rep. from Texas’s 7th, Vice President
Ronald Reagan - Gov. of California
Jimmy Carter - Gov. of Georgia
Gerald Ford - Rep. from Michican’s 5th, Vice President
Richard Nixon - Rep. from California’s 12th, Vice President
Lyndon Johnson - Sen. from Texas, Rep. from Texas’s 10th
John Kennedy - Sen. from Massachusetts, Rep. from Massacusetts’s 11th (Massachusetts had 11 congressional districts at one time? Wow...)
Dwight Eisenhower - Led the forces in World War II

As you can see, from 1976 on it has been mostly Governors. However, from 1960 to 1976 (and again with GHWB), most of the Presidents have come from the House of Representatives through the Vice Presidency to win the position.

[Fishtalk]

Oh I’m sure.

And don’t forget about carrying coals to Newcastle.

Do I have that right?

Let me check out the Kent thing.

[The Pack Knight]

The panel is skeptical, as am I, of threats of a third party conservative should Rudy be the nominee. They also reiterate the liklihood of Democrats picking up seats in the Senate. Unfortunately, the numbers make it hard to disagree there, as well.

It doesn't bode terribly well for Supreme Court appointments no matter who wins. This hits home with me since I was fortunate enough to meet Justice Scalia over the weekend, and heard his speech on originalism vs. the "living constitution." This looks to be a tough few years for the constitution.

[The Pack Knight]

CNN showing the First Lady’s smackdown of Cris Wallace. Before that, the highlighted the current Democrat talking point: “The President needs to ratchet down the rhetoric on Iran.”

[The Pack Knight]

This is true, though I'd say that 1960-1976 was skewed by a disproportionate frequency of Presidential successions. Only 5 former VPs have been elected, but 9 have succeeded to the Presidency.

I certainly agree that the trend has been in favor of governors, but I would also argue that it's possible that we may be seeing a (and I hate this term) paradigm shift with this election.

No one yet knows what impact the increasing influence of the internet and 24-hour news is going to have on Presidential politics. It could well be that these and other factors will weaken the position of governors running for President. Certainly it has disproportionately enhanced the name recognition of US Senators.

[Alas Babylon!]

Well, here’s a response so you can’t say you never got one!

BTW, thanks for being here!