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Thompson Tied for First in National Poll; Giuliani in Free Fall
All American Patriots ^ | October 25, 2007

Posted on 10/26/2007 5:20:32 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

While Fred Thompson travels the nation with his message of consistent conservatism and touts his border security and immigration reform proposal, a recent national tracking poll shows that Thompson has pulled into a virtual tie with Rudolph Giuliani. This poll further shows that Giuliani has lost almost a third of his support in the last 12 days.

In a separate Field Poll conducted in California, Giuliani's "support has eroded markedly among the party faithful, setting up the prospect of a shootout in February's primary," wrote the San Francisco Chronicle, dropping 10 points since August.

Earlier this week, a Rasmussen poll showed Giuliani and Thompson both statistically tied with Hillary in a head-to-head matchup in Ohio.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: 2008polls; conservatives; duncanhunter; election; electionpresident; elections; fred; fredthompson; giuliani; gop; hunter; polls; republicans; rudygiuliani; slamduncan; thompson
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To: ontap
"The article clearly states it is a recent national poll. Says nothing about leading in all polls."

"polls" aren't very reliable anymore. They are just too easy to corrupt. Steven Colbert, from that stupid show the Colbert report, is leading according to their poll. That's what todays youth consider as "news" these days. You'd be suprized at how many who watch that show think it's truthful "news", just with added humor.

21 posted on 10/26/2007 5:43:09 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

FOX has Rooty by 20...


22 posted on 10/26/2007 5:43:50 AM PDT by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: samtheman
"Where’s the poll. I only see words."

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2008__1/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

23 posted on 10/26/2007 5:45:44 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Security * Unity * Prosperity | Fred08.com)
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To: G Larry

I would respond if I were polled. I have never been polled in my life.


24 posted on 10/26/2007 5:46:57 AM PDT by redtetrahedron ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you" - Jer 1:5)
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To: johnny7
"FOX has Rooty by 20..."

Haven't you noticed? Fox is in Rudy's corner, on the orders of Rupert Murdoch.

25 posted on 10/26/2007 5:48:53 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Security * Unity * Prosperity | Fred08.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sorry you didn’t catch the revulsion in my comment...


26 posted on 10/26/2007 5:52:51 AM PDT by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: johnny7
FOX has Rooty by 20...

Registered Republicans, not likely voters or likely caucus/primary voters. And at a +/- 6% MOE. Hardly reliable.

27 posted on 10/26/2007 5:53:41 AM PDT by kevkrom (The religion of global warming: "There is no goddess but Gaia and Al Gore is her profit.")
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To: johnny7; 2ndDivisionVet; perfect_rovian_storm; Coldwater Creek

Correction...it is 14. Continue to pay attention to polls that sample 350 adults nationwide, as opposed to those that sample “certain primary voters”. The latter attend caucuses and primaries and among those, the internals of both Gallup and Rasmussen show Thompson ahead outright.

Some people are going to be in for a real surprise come January. I can hear them blubbering.. But the FOX poll showed this and the LAT poll showed that ..Pay attention to the internals and remember this. Only the most highly motivated and informed voters vote in primaries and caucuses. Read:the most conservative. If you think the most money or early ads wins Or early “adult voter” polls, let me introduce you to President Gramm and President Forbes.


28 posted on 10/26/2007 5:54:22 AM PDT by Brices Crossroads
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This IS indeed good news.

Hunter has moved up in the polls.

Republicans are coming back to their philosophical roots.


29 posted on 10/26/2007 5:57:20 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
Wasn’t there a poll called “Battleground” that was supposedly the most accurate in predictions just before the elections? Rush used to talk about it.
30 posted on 10/26/2007 5:59:18 AM PDT by tips up
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To: Nathan Zachary
Well, this article is misleading.

I've posted here in the last week about 10 SurveyUSA state polls: NM, WA, OH, KY, MI, NC, IL, and a couple of others. Two trends stand out. First, McCain is doing best of all against Hillary in almost every state. Fred's not even close---he's usually about 5-6 points behind McCain.

Rudy leads in several states, including FL.

The clear #2 person in every state including the RED STATES, such as NC, NM, OH, KS is Rudy. He beats Hillary in several, is tied or close in others. This puts to lie the fallacy that he "can't win the red states."

Even in blue states like WA, McCain and Rudy are competitive. Less so in MN and WI.

In none of these state head-to-head polls, not one, is Fred the leading GOP candidate vs. Hillary, and in most, he is the worst of the three, better only than Mitt.

A little reality here: Mitt will win IA and NH. No one seriously contests that. He will almost certainly win MI. Of the first four states, the only one Fred even has a shot at is SC, and McCain is leading there, with Mitt surging.

The battle, as Rudy figured out, is for #2 and #3, because all delegates count! Rudy only has to gain a few delegates in the "Mitt" states and then win FL before he will sweep Super Tues with all the huge delegate states of NY, NJ, CT, then CA. Only AZ, after that, is truly competitive.

National polls are meaningless---which is what Freepers shout every time a new poll comes out (like Ras, which today has Rudy up about 7%). And to an extent, they are right. It's only the delegate count in states that matters, and after that, the head to head. And both McCain and Rudy, not Fred, are looking very good in that regard.

31 posted on 10/26/2007 6:01:27 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: tips up

I always thought that ‘battleground’ referred just to polls taken in the ‘swing states’. I could be wrong though.


32 posted on 10/26/2007 6:02:43 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Hunters Pissants - Lowering the bar of intellectual honesty and working to elect Rudy)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Let the EXORCISM proceed!

Cull all the RINOs, like ghouliani, from our herd of "Elephants".

33 posted on 10/26/2007 6:04:17 AM PDT by DocH (RINO-rudy for BRONX Dog Catcher 2008!!!)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

I don’t remember, other than that Rush used to quote it all the time. Maybe it only becomes a active before an actual election, not just the primaries.


34 posted on 10/26/2007 6:05:03 AM PDT by tips up
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To: LS
A little reality here: Mitt will win IA and NH.

People who say stupid things like that just set themselves up to be made a fool of.

I'm sure you are aware that other candidates haven't even begun to advertise in IA and NH, while Mitt has been spending millions advertising there incessantly.

Mitt's victory in IA and NH is by no means a sure thing.

Don't mind me. Just injecting a little reality into your 'reality'.

35 posted on 10/26/2007 6:06:22 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Hunters Pissants - Lowering the bar of intellectual honesty and working to elect Rudy)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“Giuliani in Free Fall”

Guess the media is upset trying to sell this guy to Republicans and no one is buying. First they tried McCain, next Rudy.

I wonder which Republican they will try to sell us next.

36 posted on 10/26/2007 6:13:36 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: Clintons Are White Trash
This can't be true...Fred's lazy and his campaign staff is deserting him../s

Can you blame them, what with Jeri being so mean and all? Did you know that Jeri actually expects her staff to show up for work if they want to be paid? Shocking I tell ya, just shocking!

37 posted on 10/26/2007 6:15:16 AM PDT by HerrBlucher (He's the coolest thing around, gonna shut HRC down, gonna turn it on, wind it up, blow em out, FDT!)
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To: edcoil

That would be Mike “You are all racists” Huckabee.


38 posted on 10/26/2007 6:18:46 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Security * Unity * Prosperity | Fred08.com)
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To: LS
A little reality here: Mitt will win IA and NH. No one seriously contests that. He will almost certainly win MI. Of the first four states, the only one Fred even has a shot at is SC, and McCain is leading there, with Mitt surging.

As I pointed out to you on another thread, this 'reality' of yours is wrong, especially SC, where Thompson is the overall leader, followed by Giuliani, and then McCain/Romney.

Also, it is not a given that Romney will win Iowa. Given that he's run essentially unopposed there so far, his lead is way too small. He can be caught by Thompson or even Huckabee. In New Hampshire, Giuliani has a decent shot, and McCain an outside shot. Michigan is another state up for grabs.

And I'll point out once again, general election matchups mean NOTHING at this time. The candidates are running for their party's nominations, not against each other.

39 posted on 10/26/2007 6:20:08 AM PDT by kevkrom (The religion of global warming: "There is no goddess but Gaia and Al Gore is her profit.")
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
Check out RCP's polling average:

1. Romney up over 11 in the avg. but up 14 in the most recent.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/ia/iowa_republican_caucus-207.html

Rudy is #2 in the most recent.

NH: Romney up over 5 in the average, up 10 in the most recent. Rudy #2 in most recent.

http://www.anselm.edu/NR/rdonlyres/B9C20574-57F4-47E9-8207-42252C4FA767/11912/saintanselmcollegepoll102507data.pdf

SC: Rudy # 1 in average. Fred is #1 in most recent with Rudy #2.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/sc/south_carolina_republican_primary-233.html

FL: Rudy up 8 in avg., and even if you discount Quinnipiac (why?) which has him up 16, the previous poll had him up 10. Fred, McCain, and Mitt are essentially tied for #2.

Fihttp://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1297.xml?ReleaseID=1112

Finally, MI: Romney up 5 avg. Rudy leads by 4 in most recent, and Mitt is #2 in most recent.

http://www.strategicvision.biz/political/michigan_poll_101007.htm

Rudy leads in Nevada over Fred by 5; by 18 in CA over Mitt; by 8 in PA over Fred and Mitt; and by 30 in NJ.

We're talking delegates here and winning states. Where do you see Fred's delegates in any of these polls?

40 posted on 10/26/2007 6:23:00 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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