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US probes engines in Chinese military helicopters
DefenseTalk.com ^

Posted on 10/23/2007 9:54:42 PM PDT by DTAD

The U.S. State Department said on Tuesday it was investigating how engines made by a Canadian subsidiary of United Technologies Corp wound up in prototypes of the Z-10, China's first domestically developed military attack helicopter.

State Department spokesman Karl Duckworth said information was being gathered before deciding whether to take any action. "We are reviewing the matter and have no further comments at this time," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at defencetalk.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: chicom; china; chinesemilitary; engine; helicopter; industrialespionage; loral; us

1 posted on 10/23/2007 9:54:43 PM PDT by DTAD
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To: DTAD

Why is this a puzzle? The Chinese steal stuff. It’s what they do.


2 posted on 10/23/2007 9:57:31 PM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: DTAD

Delivered in 2001 and 2002. That means the contract was signed under, SUPRISE!!!, Clintons watch.

.....Bob


3 posted on 10/23/2007 10:09:17 PM PDT by Lokibob (Some people are like slinkys. Useless, but if you throw them down the stairs, you smile.)
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To: Lokibob
But, but, Pratt & Whitney were promised by the Honest Chinooks that this domestic craft engine wouldn't be put in a military chopper!
4 posted on 10/23/2007 10:12:34 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: Lokibob

Well, no sh*t! Follow the money. Did financing from key vendors and Chi-Com Generals go right into the campaign coffers of the Bent One and the Forgetful One.


5 posted on 10/23/2007 10:14:54 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: Theo
Why is this a puzzle? The Chinese steal stuff buy people. It’s what they do.
6 posted on 10/23/2007 10:16:05 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
But, but, Pratt & Whitney were promised by the Honest Chinooks that this domestic craft engine wouldn't be put in a military chopper!

Chinook = Chinese Canuck?

7 posted on 10/23/2007 10:21:20 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: DTAD

China’s true nature hasn’t been in question since the revolution. Those that can’t figure it out now have had their heads firmly implanted for what, 60 years?

Mao purged 50 million lives. China has looked the other way for decades as it’s citizens slaughtered tens, if not hundreds of millions or girls. Block captains are the norm in China. You tow the party line or you get a visit. These block captains watch families. If they have one child already, and the wife becomes pregnant she is forced to have an abortion.

Tieneman Square become the focal point of those who wished to break from from this disgraceful society. And there, thousands were gunned down or run over with tanks.

We allowed China to pay off the Clintons with hundreds of thousands of dollar in donations. The daughter of the general in charge of operations at the Tieneman Sqare donated $100 thousand dollars to the DNC. She herself was in charge of the Chinese space program, benefiting from the largess of the Loral Corporation who gifted the Chinese with our gyro stabalization technology as well as our MIRV tech. This they promptly used to creat multiple warhead missles that targeted the United States. This also allowed the Chinese to up the reliability drasticly, and the accuracy of their missiles.

Time after time we have seen what China is intent on doing. Time after time the money changers have looked the other way. And now in upcoming years, our young men and women will die because we didn’t pay attention to the warning signals we have seen time after time.

Bill Clinton was a sleeper agent for China. His wife was as well. This is not secret.

Now we’re suprised by the way they used these engines? LMAO... somebody made money. It must be okay no matter what they did with them.

MONEY, IT’S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. DON’T PUT DOWN THE CHINESE, THEY’RE TOO FLUSH WITH MONEY AND THEY’RE MORE THAN WILLING TO BUY US CITIZENS AT THE RATE OF A DIME A DOZEN.


8 posted on 10/23/2007 10:36:54 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Hillary has PAY FEEVER. There she goes now. Ah hsu, ah hsu, ahhhaa hsu, ah hsu, ahhhhhh hsu...)
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To: DTAD; Calpernia

Screw these commie bastards.


9 posted on 10/23/2007 10:39:54 PM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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Well it’s OK now, they can just buy a similar engine for GE...

GE just bought Walter in Prague, who makes the commie copy of the PT-6 engine in the article...

http://www.walterengines.com/news/general-electric-company-to-acquire-walter-engines-as.html


10 posted on 10/23/2007 11:06:21 PM PDT by az_gila (AZ - need less democrats)
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To: pissant

previous:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1914137/posts
U.S. irked about Chinese attack helicopters with Canadian engines


11 posted on 10/24/2007 6:32:25 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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United Technologies Corp, listed here (as well as Loral):

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/821111/posts
Mrs. Daschle’s Clients (the financial feed on Tommy and Linda)
HUMAN EVENTS ^ | 5/20/02

Fees Paid to Mrs. Daschle’s Firm**
Lobbying Issues of this client.

(1) American Airlines (1997-2001)*
$1,260,000***
Various airline bills, post-Sept. 11 airline legislation.

(2) Northwest Airlines (1997-2001)
$870,000
Lobbied post-Sept. 11 airline legislation, sought help in settling a labor dispute; airline security, air traffic measures in Congress, and noise pollution laws.

(3) Loral Space and Communications, Ltd. (2000-2001)
$740,000
Sought from Daschle’s lobbying firm “consultation and advice related to commercial space matters.” In January 2002, according to the Washington Times, “Loral paid a $14 million fine to the State Department, ending a five year investigation into charges the company illegally helped China to improve its long range missiles through satellite deals.”

(4) United Technologies Corp. (1999-2002)
$640,000
A major government defense contractor that manufactures jet engines, United Technologies lobbied for airline legislation after Sept. 11.

(5) Schering-Plough (1999-2001)
$470,000
Seeking to extend its patent on Claritin, protecting the allergy drug’s multi-billion-dollar market from cheaper, generic alternative drugs.

(6) L-3 Communications (1997-2001)
$440,000
The Washington Post (Nov. 18) reported that L-3 developed an airport bomb detection device in October 2000. Writes the Post: “ ‘Airlines ‘didn’t want them because they didn’t work,’ said a former top FAA security official...So L-3 took its case to Capitol Hill...hired lobbyists Albert Randall... and Linda Hall Daschle...The connections apparently paid off. Today the FAA is buying dozens of the machines, under an unusually explicit directive from Congress: Wording inserted in last year’s federal transportation budget orders the FAA to purchase one L-3 machine for every model purchased from [competitor] InVision.”

(7) Boeing (1998-2001) $440,000 Lobbied post-Sept. 11 airline legislation, transportation appropriations bills, and bankruptcy reform.

(8) American Trucking Assn (1999-2000) $240,000 Dept of Transportation appropriations bill, 1999 and 2000.

(9) Cleveland Hopkins Int’l Airport (2000-2001) $180,000 Lobbied post-Sept. 11 airline legislation.

(10) ICF-Kaiser (1997-1998) $160,000 This engineering and consulting company lobbied DOT appropriations bills and Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act reauthorization.

(11) American Assn. Of Airport Executives (1998-2001) $120,000 Lobbied various airline bills, including post-Sept. 11 airline legislation. Mrs. Daschle once served as the Association’s president.

(12) Safe Passage International (1998) $60,000 This security guard training company lobbied the reauthorization of the Airport Improvement Program in 1998, as well as DOT appropriations bills.

(13) Pacificorp (1998) $60,000 Energy and Water Development Appropriations.

(14) Dallas-Fort Worth Airport (2000) $60,000 Lobbied a Senate bill to improve U.S. airports.

(15) Centennial Airport (2001) $50,000 Lobbied for federal airport safety grants and Airport Improvement Program grants.

(16) Shaw and Associates (2001) $30,000 “General matters relating to commercial spaceports.”

(17) Intelli-Check (2001) $20,000 Lobbied after Sept. 11 to inform government officials of possible anti-terror applications of its technology.

(18) American Concrete and Pavement Assn (1999-2000)| Under $20,000 Lobbied on the Air Transportation Improvement Act of 1999.

Total Fees Paid to Mrs. Daschle’s Firm for her Projects: $5,860,000


12 posted on 10/24/2007 6:44:05 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: DTAD
Bump.

The fruit of unwatched trade.

And who watches the watchers...?

13 posted on 10/24/2007 10:29:17 AM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: az_gila
GE just bought Walter in Prague, who makes the commie copy of the PT-6 engine in the article...

AZ,

ANd Pratt purchased Poland's PZL, who also made a PT-6 clone!

When they bought PZL a few years back, they got the Franklin piston engine line. To get rid of the liability, they want nothing to do with Gen-Av piston engines, I am not sure if they destroyed the tooling, but the Franklin Engine enthusiast need spares and new engines.

From a Historical Standpoint read the following, however you may want second source some of this, since they have been from word of mouth.

The Brits gave the Nazi's 6 Rolls Royce Engines in 1936, Churchill railed against it.

The Brits gave a Whittle Turbojet to the Russians in the late 40's a variant ended up in the MIG's.

The French essentially got their Marboure engines from the Nazi's, The French then sold a license to Continental, and the J-69 and it's variants have interesting roots, or so I have been told.

The point is, this is not the 1st time this has happened. But the Chinese are more worry-some than most with technology transfers.

14 posted on 10/24/2007 10:42:34 AM PDT by taildragger
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To: DTAD

This is actually somewhat old news. It was known that the Z-10 prototypes were using the PT6C-67C engines supplied by P&W in 2004. If the state department is only now “looking into it”, they are several years behind the times even to open source intelligence estimates. The PT6C-67C engines are also used in the AB/AW-139 which was in the same weight range, approximately 6000 kilograms, as the Z-10.


15 posted on 10/24/2007 1:08:48 PM PDT by cmdjing
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