Posted on 10/21/2007 11:38:01 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
I am going to post just a small review of my night with 23 Republicans at the Fox News Orlando Republican Presidential Debate.
Luntz was angry early on before camera's went live when he polled the group to make sure everyone there was undecided. A 21 yr old guy raised his hand and said he was supporting Ron Paul. Luntz absolutely lost it on this kid and said "Why in the hell did you not put that on your questionaire that was e-mailed to you? Why does it not shock me that a Ron Paul supporter would pull this kind of crap?"
"If someone else shows up you are being replaced and out of here...this room is for undecided."
I was originally placed in the second row towards the end of the row next to a man named Fred Hawkins Jr. who is running for Osceola County Commissioner. Luntz asked us a bunch of questions with a camera crew and producers in tow behind him and I was the first to answer. I was the first person to use the word "socialism" and it spread like wild fire.
I said the concept of America voting a socialist like Hillary Clinton as President should be motivation enough for Republicans to get their act together. I reminded Luntz of the Hillary quote saying "This is the same woman who is quoted by the San Francisco Chronicle saying "We will have to take things away for the common good." Luntz had this smirk on his face and he knew I handed him gold.
After 3 segments it was time to go live. By the time you saw what you did at home we had already gone through 3 rounds of questions and I was lighting up the joint with what I call the biggest crisis this campaign.
What do any of these men who are running for President plan on doing to combat the extreme hatred of anyone who is a Republican by the mainstream media and how bad the liberal blogs, Soros, and just about everyone who has some sort of journalistic power slimes Republicans on a daily basis. Who is going to have the spine to stand up to it and how do they plan on doing it when the Bush Administration has been knocked out time and time again with no fight.
WHO IS GOING TO PREVENT THE PERCEPTION THAT REPUBLICANS ARE NOT WAR MONGERING NAZI'S WHO ARE OUT FOR OIL COMPANIES AND THE RICH?
Luntz definitely told us through his polling and research that as of today Hillary Clinton will win in a landslide. He was putting all of his money on her. I said you are going to go broke. He said Republicans are too disorganized and the focus group proved that.
I said not it does not. I said if you want to see motivation and organization? Put Hillary Clinton against any Republican and you will see Republicans vote like you have never seen before, the alternative is too grave. Whether we can stand it or not Republicans will do everything in their power to elect anyone else but Clinton.
You saw my exchange later on saying we have long memories and do not want to live through that hell again.
The Ron Paul comment I made was simple and sweet and every single person except the Ron Paul supporter all said "perfect" with regards to that remark.
Luntz walks over and says "you are good...you are going down to the front row...keep talking."
We taped about 70 mins worth of discussion. More clips will be aired at 6:20 AM on Fox and Friends First and then 8:20 AM on Fox and Friends. Then more clips from the debate will be aired on tomorrow's Hannity and Colmes as well from 9-10.
I am sure this is when you will see how hardcore it got in there.
I called out the room at the end of it all..when I saw how many people put their hands up that Rudy was the only one who could beat Hillary I said "I am really saddened to see how many people think he is their answer. That is very telling that the fire that was there earlier tonight for all of us agreeing that we want a true Conservative is gone already and that makes me sick as a true Conservative."
To me the top winners tonight were Romney, Huckabee, Thompson, and blech...I hate to say this but Rudy. His night was not that bad but he certainly is not my top choice for President.
I called for a thining of the herd. Paul, Tancredo, and Hunter need to go. They virtually played zero in the room. It was sad because I really like Tom and Duncan and said that if a Republican wins the White House in 2008 they should all be given cabinet posts ASAP.
Except Paul...which who by the end of the night lost his one supporter...the 21 yr old guy who didn't raise his hand when asked if anyone supported him.
Finally...Luntz. A nice guy but can be insulting. When he compared a moderate conservative to a major serious conservative he wanted a show of hands...then he added "When I say major serious conservative I mean you can hear the German Nazi marching bands and get excited", I then said to him "There it is..exactly what I was talking about." Luntz said "Relax I was only joking." I said "I know you were and it is that kind of talk that I am absolutely disgusted by and sick of...sick of it Frank...enough is enough with the nazi conservative comparisons people have got to speak up for conservatives...true conservatives."
That in a short capsule is it. Met some really nice people and we had a discussion at the end of everything and went our own ways.
I thank Luntz for letting me say whatever I wanted to on camera and speak up for Conservatives and letting me call Ron Paul out on global television.
I don't know. Rudy had no problem with cavorting with women not his wife when he lived in Gracie Mansion. I see no reason to expect he wouldn't do the same if he lived in the White House.
Awesome!
Beautifully done. Superb.
I cannot imagine what could have been done better.
I wish you hadn’t called for the only two true conservatives to go. That was the only thing I disagree with. You saw for yourself how much exposure they get.
It is much easier for Paulistinian moonbats to decide for their candidate. El Run Paulie is the only antiAmerican antiwar looney tune in the race. Patriots have many candidates to choose from. PaleoPaulie is the only available traitor posing as a Republican.
I figure Ron Paul isn’t worth discussing much. We know he will win phone polls, we know he will win text message polls.
And we know he won’t win a single primary when voters are required to come out of mommies basement and vote.
bump to that!
Conservative on law and order? How is that? He welcomed nearly a million criminals into his city, kept the police from enforcing the law to intercept and detain those criminals, kept his city agencies from cooperating with federal law enforcement when they wanted to go after those criminals, sued the federal government to be able to keep ignoring the law and refusing to work with federal law enforcement, and then continued this lawlessness even after he lost in court. Oh, wait, some of the grafitti disappeared in Times Square and he pushed the prostitutes and such to other streets and alleys. Yeah, he's a REAL conservative on law enforcement.
And don't let me get into the corrupt, mobbed up people he hired into the top levels of his administration and later into his corporation. People he defends to this day despite being convicted criminals. Whatever KoolAid you're drinking, you might want to give it up.
“What is amazing is Hunter is the one candidate we all agree we would vote for, and who we all agree is 100% on the Republican platform. But then we all say he can’t win and split up, each of us choosing a lesser candidate we feel can win, but who 15% or more of Republicans say they will never vote for. And 9 times out of ten we’re choosing the lesser candidate to stop someone else’s lesser candidate, whom we could never vote for ourselves.”
You are SO right! Why on earth are so many willing to settle for less that what America deserves? If the media were to be touting him, he would be in the top tier in one day, so why are we so willing to allow the media to dictate who we vote for? We don’t trust the media on anything else, why oh why would we trust them for this?? It suicide for the party.
Excellent report and job. Thank you for bring up the socialist comments.
Thank you for the link to the debates....
He was just endorsed by Dr. Jack Willke who is considered by many to be the father of the pro-life movement. Willke helped found National Right to Life Committee and served as its founding president for 10 years. He believes the Romney is more than sufficiently pro-life and rightfully pointed out that on every such decision as Governor, Romney came down on the pro-life side.
As for guns, Romney is a 2nd Amendment supporter. He received a 'B' grade from the NRA which is quite an accomplishment in a bluer-than-blue, anti-gun state with an 85% Democrat and anti-gun legislature. He held the line against gun control and the only law he signed that carried a restriction on guns was to extend an existing restriction while loosening other restrictions on guns. That legislation was supported by both the NRA and the Gun Owners Action League. So, he doesn't want your guns or anyone else's.
I am...your point? My remarks were about socialism, Hillary etc...
I just watched the morning reports on my dvr...total joke and a hatchet job by the Fox crew. You could just feel the Rudy shill going on last night and they cut my comments out about how disappointed and sad it was to hear that people were changing their minds for Rudy right in front of me.
I thought we all decided at the start that we wanted a true conservative to win this thing? Luntz pushed the Rudy/Romney questions big time.
Here in West Virginia, if the voters have a choice between 2 New York liberals, I predict a record low turnout.
The Witch will probably take the state, judging by what I hear from people across the board.
Many Democrats crossed over for Bush. I don't believe Julie would get a fraction of that vote.
Luntz was in TOTAL SHOCK when the whole room AGREED: HILLARY CLINTON IS A SOCIALIST.
Thought that was the FULL story of the moderate, conservative focus group.
Thank You. You always come through for our side. Praise The Lord...
Side note on Hunter from the room...about a group of 7 of the 23 said Duncan Hunter looks and sounds like the man you would want but has run a horrible campaign that is going to finish him off.
That he should blame himself for not getting attention put on himself enough and raising more money to survive.
The nomination of Giuliani would mark the final betrayal of the social and religious conservatives in the Republican Party. The Republican Party will have, once and for all, become the Democrat Party. And the Democrat Party will have become the National Socialist Party. We social conservatives will not have left the party, the Republican Party will have left us. (see what Ronald Reagan said about his prior membership in the Democrat Party)
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