Hummmmmmmm... 
Thought you were supposed to be undecided?
Posted on 10/21/2007 11:38:01 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
I am going to post just a small review of my night with 23 Republicans at the Fox News Orlando Republican Presidential Debate.
Luntz was angry early on before camera's went live when he polled the group to make sure everyone there was undecided. A 21 yr old guy raised his hand and said he was supporting Ron Paul. Luntz absolutely lost it on this kid and said "Why in the hell did you not put that on your questionaire that was e-mailed to you? Why does it not shock me that a Ron Paul supporter would pull this kind of crap?"
"If someone else shows up you are being replaced and out of here...this room is for undecided."
I was originally placed in the second row towards the end of the row next to a man named Fred Hawkins Jr. who is running for Osceola County Commissioner. Luntz asked us a bunch of questions with a camera crew and producers in tow behind him and I was the first to answer. I was the first person to use the word "socialism" and it spread like wild fire.
I said the concept of America voting a socialist like Hillary Clinton as President should be motivation enough for Republicans to get their act together. I reminded Luntz of the Hillary quote saying "This is the same woman who is quoted by the San Francisco Chronicle saying "We will have to take things away for the common good." Luntz had this smirk on his face and he knew I handed him gold.
After 3 segments it was time to go live. By the time you saw what you did at home we had already gone through 3 rounds of questions and I was lighting up the joint with what I call the biggest crisis this campaign.
What do any of these men who are running for President plan on doing to combat the extreme hatred of anyone who is a Republican by the mainstream media and how bad the liberal blogs, Soros, and just about everyone who has some sort of journalistic power slimes Republicans on a daily basis. Who is going to have the spine to stand up to it and how do they plan on doing it when the Bush Administration has been knocked out time and time again with no fight.
WHO IS GOING TO PREVENT THE PERCEPTION THAT REPUBLICANS ARE NOT WAR MONGERING NAZI'S WHO ARE OUT FOR OIL COMPANIES AND THE RICH?
Luntz definitely told us through his polling and research that as of today Hillary Clinton will win in a landslide. He was putting all of his money on her. I said you are going to go broke. He said Republicans are too disorganized and the focus group proved that.
I said not it does not. I said if you want to see motivation and organization? Put Hillary Clinton against any Republican and you will see Republicans vote like you have never seen before, the alternative is too grave. Whether we can stand it or not Republicans will do everything in their power to elect anyone else but Clinton.
You saw my exchange later on saying we have long memories and do not want to live through that hell again.
The Ron Paul comment I made was simple and sweet and every single person except the Ron Paul supporter all said "perfect" with regards to that remark.
Luntz walks over and says "you are good...you are going down to the front row...keep talking."
We taped about 70 mins worth of discussion. More clips will be aired at 6:20 AM on Fox and Friends First and then 8:20 AM on Fox and Friends. Then more clips from the debate will be aired on tomorrow's Hannity and Colmes as well from 9-10.
I am sure this is when you will see how hardcore it got in there.
I called out the room at the end of it all..when I saw how many people put their hands up that Rudy was the only one who could beat Hillary I said "I am really saddened to see how many people think he is their answer. That is very telling that the fire that was there earlier tonight for all of us agreeing that we want a true Conservative is gone already and that makes me sick as a true Conservative."
To me the top winners tonight were Romney, Huckabee, Thompson, and blech...I hate to say this but Rudy. His night was not that bad but he certainly is not my top choice for President.
I called for a thining of the herd. Paul, Tancredo, and Hunter need to go. They virtually played zero in the room. It was sad because I really like Tom and Duncan and said that if a Republican wins the White House in 2008 they should all be given cabinet posts ASAP.
Except Paul...which who by the end of the night lost his one supporter...the 21 yr old guy who didn't raise his hand when asked if anyone supported him.
Finally...Luntz. A nice guy but can be insulting. When he compared a moderate conservative to a major serious conservative he wanted a show of hands...then he added "When I say major serious conservative I mean you can hear the German Nazi marching bands and get excited", I then said to him "There it is..exactly what I was talking about." Luntz said "Relax I was only joking." I said "I know you were and it is that kind of talk that I am absolutely disgusted by and sick of...sick of it Frank...enough is enough with the nazi conservative comparisons people have got to speak up for conservatives...true conservatives."
That in a short capsule is it. Met some really nice people and we had a discussion at the end of everything and went our own ways.
I thank Luntz for letting me say whatever I wanted to on camera and speak up for Conservatives and letting me call Ron Paul out on global television.
Like a broken clock, Ron Paul can be right occasionally, but he’s still a kook.
I read what you wrote at the link.
I agree. I had presumed that the Republicans who gave the Clinton a pass in the Senate had done so because they were compromised by information in the FBI files Hillary stole.
Maybe not.
Either way, I agree that putting a Socialist one-worlder in office from the Republican side is about like shooting yourself in the right foot instead of the left. Either way, it's going to hurt.
I am done voting for soft "conservatives" because they are "the lesser of two evils".
The lesser evil is still evil.
Better to let the heat come up fast and get the frogs jumping out of the pot than let the temperature be ramped up slowly, one more notch.
at least Ron Paul will squeeze Lyndon LaRouche out of the race.
Great report. We were looking for you on the thread last night but no one knew which one you were. Or decided not to tell unless you approved.
wow. carry the torch and all that
But can I still vote?
I heard and saw you... well done! You get an ‘A’ in Luntz 101.
That is a joke. The majority of the Republicans have already decided. The Ron Paul fan is probably the most honest, at least he admitted favoritism.
That just shows you how far left the Republican party has swung.
So Hunter and Tancredo should disappear?
I think JulieAnnie and Huckleberry, and McLame should disappear.
I did love McCain's Woodstock retort though!
My wife and I almost rolled off the couch laughing.
I watched the debate and saw you, not knowing it was you. I liked what you were saying a lot! Great to now learn that a Freeper was there and saying that on TV. great job!
Hummmmmmmm... Thought you were supposed to be undecided?
You can say that again!
At any time did Frank Luntz’s wig fall off or start to shift?
I watched the 6:20 segment on F&F this morning, and this is what I got out of Luntz.
1. He definitely pushed Giuliani.
2. Those in the race are Giuliani, McCain, and an unseen but mentioned, Mitt Romney & Fred Thompson. (We did learn that Thompson is against tort reform.) Huckabee is nicer than the rest, and gets "nice guy" points.
Nothing about any other candidate.
We got focus group lines going up when they attacked each other. I can't recall any of the 3 or 4 focus group quotes except one guy saying he didn't think that they attacked each other that badly.
All in all, I thought the 6:20 report was lousy, and that Giuliani led the report, Giuliani got pushed, and Giuliani continues to be promoted as the pubbie candidate by every news agency out there.
McCain’s problem is that he keeps blaming Washington and says the people no longer trust the elected.
Yet, McCain is one of the major culprits many don’t trust, as he has represented Washington for 20-some years.
Now he claims ‘I saw the light’ and claims to be THE conservative.
But, he still supports his CFR, which is an assault on the First Amendment. He still supports open borders and amnesty for illegals, even though he retorts the ‘secure the border’ line -— now.
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