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Turkey’s Top General: "The US Shot Itself in the Foot"
http://www.thememriblog.org/turkey/blog_personal/en/3225.htm ^

Posted on 10/15/2007 5:06:41 PM PDT by cool2007

The US shot itself in the foot, commented the Chief of General Staff General Yaşar Büyükanıt after a US congressional vote branding the killing of Armenians in 1915-17 as genocide, Milliyet reported yesterday. In an interview with the daily, Büyükanıt said if the non-binding resolution that passed in a House committee last week was to be adopted in the House too, Turkish-US military ties would “never be the same again.”

The general expressed the opinion that world parliaments had no business in judging history. He said, “The US is a very important ally of ours, but an ally does not act like this.”

This week, General Buyukanit will visit Israel.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 110th; armenia; armeniangenocide; armenians; nancypelosi; pelosi; turkey
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To: RinaseaofDs

“And since we have a moral obligation to take on the actions of people long since dead, I suppose you’ll be the one handing your property over to some unnamed African American representative in compensation for something you had absolutely NOTHING to do with over 200 years ago.”

My mom tells me when she was a kid it was always “the poor Armenians” that would be referenced when she didn’t eat her peas when she was a child. (She’s 89). I hope Pelosi doesn’t hold her complicit in their genocide.

I was listening to some talk show where they were saying anything done in gov’t now is just to throw stuff against the wall and see what sticks for the 2008 elections.

However, this vote seems a bit off of any political agenda, and only serves to turn Turkey against us. Not that Turkey has perhaps ever been “for” us, but at least we have had an “understanding”.


61 posted on 10/15/2007 5:51:21 PM PDT by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: El Gato
The Ottoman Empire definitely retained linguistic zones that reflect, to a degree, the populations in place at the time of its founding a millenium before (under a different name, but same place).

You give any empire a few centuries to work and the genetic and cultural backgrounds of any particular former nation within it is going to change.

Among the troops killing Armenians were fellows who'd been born in the Balkans ~ many of them were undoubtedly Greek ~ so technically I wouldn't even let the Greeks off the hook on this one except that the Greek nation had successfully mounted a revolution against the Ottomans and had recreated their previously non-existent state half a century earlier (albeit without all the Greeks living in it ~ those residing in Egypt were repatriated later as the Allies chopped up the Ottoman Empire and redistributed Greeks and Jews).

62 posted on 10/15/2007 5:55:28 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: NordP

While I agree with you, I doubt we would go as far as to blame a single party if Iran’s ruling body (that compares to our House), made a poor decision regarding the U.S.

It’s just normal to get ticked off and address the government as a whole.


63 posted on 10/15/2007 5:56:46 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Hillary has pay fever. There she goes now... "Ha Hsu, ha hsu, haaaa hsu, ha hsu...")
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To: El Gato
Condemning Japan for atrocities, Germany for atrocities, Russia for atrocities, China for atrocities, Spain for the Inquisition, various caliphates for mass murder of non-muslims, Black tribes of Africa for selling their fellow Blacks into slavery, Mayans and Aztecs for ritual slaughter, Saxons for brutality towards Britons......on and on and on.

The filthy scum of the US Congress wouldn't dream of doing so, though. It wouldn't be profitable for them.

The Satanic demoncrats know exactly what they're doing, in regards to Turkey. It is clear to most, except the Turks. For Turkey to take it as personally as it has reveals a thin skin. Giving the Satanic Socialist wastes of "human" skin the satisfaction plays into their hands. Turkey should know better.

64 posted on 10/15/2007 5:58:34 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (Unleash the Dogs of War as a Minority, or perish as a party.)
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To: DoughtyOne
It is what it is...I'm just upset at the timing. The Democrats used that timing against America.

Deplorable and pretty darn transparent.

65 posted on 10/15/2007 6:02:02 PM PDT by NordP (Such tough choices ahead, I'm now a "middle of the road" voter--somewhere between RUSH & Savage ;-))
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To: sourcery
There’s really only one morally valid question here: Did the Turks commit genocide against the Armenians during WWI? Yes or no?

If they did, then we are morally obligated to say so (if nothing else,) regardless of the consequences.

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Was there a genocide in Rwanda ten years ago? Is there a form of genocide going on today in Darfur? The answer to both is yes. It is absurd to claim the morale high ground by making a statement about what happened ninety years ago but doing nothing to stop the same thing today.

This is politics pure and simple.

66 posted on 10/15/2007 6:03:05 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: NordP

Oh absolutely! I totally agree with that. What the Democrats did was simply unacceptable.


67 posted on 10/15/2007 6:05:52 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Hillary has pay fever. There she goes now... "Ha Hsu, ha hsu, haaaa hsu, ha hsu...")
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To: NordP

Oh absolutely! I totally agree with that. What the Democrats did was simply unacceptable.


68 posted on 10/15/2007 6:06:09 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Hillary has pay fever. There she goes now... "Ha Hsu, ha hsu, haaaa hsu, ha hsu...")
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To: sourcery
BS

Yes, they did, but why after 95 yrs is it so darn important to say so NOW?

69 posted on 10/15/2007 6:06:22 PM PDT by arbee4bush (Our Airman Daughter KB4W--Hero, Patriot and the Love of her mom & dads life! GO FDT!)
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To: cool2007

Hey silly man, it was genocide. Get it?


70 posted on 10/15/2007 6:07:25 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: cool2007
“The US is a very important ally of ours, but an ally does not act like this.”

Dear General Büyükanıt:

Think back to Turkey's actions at the start of Gulf War II. Do you recall the US wanting to send troops through Turkey, and Turkey refusing to allow it?? ALLIES DO NOT ACT LIKE THAT!!!

71 posted on 10/15/2007 6:07:38 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: DoughtyOne
As far as I am concerned, this guy’s comments are fairly accurate.

I agree.

72 posted on 10/15/2007 6:08:38 PM PDT by jimt
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To: cool2007

Just heard on Glenn Beck that five past sec of state (three of them democrats) are opposed to the resolution.


73 posted on 10/15/2007 6:09:36 PM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs....doing the job of the media.)
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To: cookcounty

The Turkish Parliament should issue a resolution condemning US cutoff of funds to its ally in South Vietnam and the resulting murder of hundreds of thousands. They should mention Ted Kennedy’s willingness to feed Vietnamese children to the sharks in the South China Sea.

Perhaps that should be suggested to Turkey from someone on this board.

cumhurbaskanligi@tccb.gov.tr E-mail to the president of Turkey. I have a draft saved.


74 posted on 10/15/2007 6:10:16 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: yldstrk
Two things ~ it was genocide, at the same time somebody did it. The Democrats want to blame the Republic of Turkey.

Sorry, the Republic of Turkey didn't do it.

More importantly I think is a public apology by the Democrats for the genocide they fostered in Cambodia and in Viet Nam, and that one takes crawling naked in a mile of broken glass and a completion of the trail of penance with a session of seppuku.

Absent that I don't think the Dems have a shred of decency nor are in any position to criticize anyone else for genocide.

75 posted on 10/15/2007 6:10:31 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: cool2007

I despise the democrats. However, I also have no use for an ‘ally’ that screws us regularly, and that has attacked the Kurds regularly for years. They are also rapidly moving into the arms of the islamofascists, and stabbing the US in the back would tend to accelerate the process.

If they follow thru on their threat, they may find that they have cut off their nose to spite their face.


76 posted on 10/15/2007 6:10:40 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I'm agnostic on evolution, but sit ups are from Hell!)
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To: jimt

Thanks Jim.


77 posted on 10/15/2007 6:11:01 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Hillary has pay fever. There she goes now... "Ha Hsu, ha hsu, haaaa hsu, ha hsu...")
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To: Mr Rogers

Enough about France, what do you think about Turkey??

Pray for W and Our Troops


78 posted on 10/15/2007 6:11:40 PM PDT by bray (Think "Betray U.S." Think Democrat)
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To: G8 Diplomat

this is relevant to Armenians because their history be being erased.

Think how jewish people react when the kooky holokost denyers surface. (see president of Iran)

This is not 100 years ago this is today.

That said, the Demcrats are doing what they always do. The are USING people.

Republicans should have been smart and introduce a resolution that condemned the revisionist history using the definition without the word genocide.


79 posted on 10/15/2007 6:11:43 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Fred Hayek

Maybe you could send a copy of this thread to the President of Turkey as a reminder that the Democrat traitors and thieves currently running Congress are not the only people in this country.


80 posted on 10/15/2007 6:11:54 PM PDT by muawiyah
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