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Turkey’s Top General: "The US Shot Itself in the Foot"
http://www.thememriblog.org/turkey/blog_personal/en/3225.htm ^

Posted on 10/15/2007 5:06:41 PM PDT by cool2007

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Last night, the House Foreign Affairs Committee passed a measure to approve calling the killings in Turkey during WWI genocide. The vote was 27-21, which seems to be right down party lines since there are 27 Dems and 21 Rep on the committee.

Turkey has said that consequences of the House voting and approving the measure "won't be pleasant".

According to Sec. Gates, approximately 70% of all cargo that goes into Iraq goes through Turkey.

So if the house decides to approve this measure calling the killings genocide and Turkey decides to kick the US out of their country, which is what they did to France, wouldn't this cripple the war in Iraq and force and early withdrawal?

1 posted on 10/15/2007 5:06:43 PM PDT by cool2007
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To: cool2007
Yaşar Büyükanıt

wow, that's some name.

2 posted on 10/15/2007 5:07:38 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (arrogance is unlovely in any color.)
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To: cool2007

Allies don’t deny the passage of troops into a war zone, like the Turkish Parliament did in 2003. Turkey likes our money, but that’s about all.


3 posted on 10/15/2007 5:09:02 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: cool2007

Turks must be stupid. This action is being taken by the people who DON’T benefit from Turkey’s cooperation, and are merely doing it to indirectly harm those who do (Bush, US military, etc.). In reality, the best way for Turks to stick a finger in the eye of those pushing this resolution is to somehow find a way to cooperate even MORE fully with the US military.


4 posted on 10/15/2007 5:12:38 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: cool2007

There’s really only one morally valid question here: Did the Turks commit genocide against the Armenians during WWI? Yes or no?

If they did, then we are morally obligated to say so (if nothing else,) regardless of the consequences.


5 posted on 10/15/2007 5:12:45 PM PDT by sourcery (Referring a "social conservative" to the Ninth Amendment is like showing the Cross to Dracula.)
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wouldn't this cripple the war in Iraq and force and early withdrawal?

wouldn't this is a deliberate, with malice aforesight, move meant to cripple the war in Iraq and force and early withdrawal?

6 posted on 10/15/2007 5:12:58 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: cool2007

The Turkish Parliament should issue a resolution condemning US cutoff of funds to its ally in South Vietnam and the resulting murder of hundreds of thousands. They should mention Ted Kennedy’s willingness to feed Vietnamese children to the sharks in the South China Sea.


7 posted on 10/15/2007 5:13:13 PM PDT by cookcounty (Murtha, World's Dumbest Marine Officer, --He can't find Okinawa on a map..)
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"There’s really only one morally valid question here: Did the Turks commit genocide against the Armenians during WWI? Yes or no?

If they did, then we are morally obligated to say so (if nothing else,) regardless of the consequences.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I am under the impression that this was already passed by the Congress before.

8 posted on 10/15/2007 5:15:39 PM PDT by cookcounty (Murtha, World's Dumbest Marine Officer, --He can't find Okinawa on a map..)
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So if the house decides to approve this measure calling the killings genocide and Turkey decides to kick the US out of their country, which is what they did to France, wouldn't this cripple the war in Iraq and force and early withdrawal?

That's the whole idea.

9 posted on 10/15/2007 5:16:45 PM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: cookcounty
Correct me if I am wrong, but I am under the impression that this was already passed by the Congress before.

Twice, according to Rush Limbaugh.

10 posted on 10/15/2007 5:17:26 PM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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If they did, then we are morally obligated to say so (if nothing else,) regardless of the consequences.

How many times? Is once enough? Twice? Ten? A hundred? A million? A new daily resolution into perpetuity?

11 posted on 10/15/2007 5:18:58 PM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: cookcounty; cool2007

Twice before IIRC.


12 posted on 10/15/2007 5:19:13 PM PDT by steveo (Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.)
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It's not like the Armenian Genocide was *not* a genocide. But its also ancient history and was conducted by a previous government, the Ottoman Empire, not the current republican government, set up by and kept kept from "pollution" by the IslamoWackos by the Turkish army, originally under Ataturk. (From whence comes the expression "young turks". They overthrew the old corrupt government.) Might as well blame the current American friendly leaders of Japan and Germany for killing all those Jews and Chinese. (In fact that would be a little more appropriate, since fewer generations have passed since the events in question)

Yep we have been shot, but I'm not sure the impact was on our foot though, and we didn't do it. DemonRat politicians did it.

13 posted on 10/15/2007 5:19:23 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: sourcery

Rush said that there already has been two earlier resolutions regarding this matter. So, the real question is why now, does the Dems want to bring this matter up?


14 posted on 10/15/2007 5:20:17 PM PDT by go-ken-go (i)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Lol, I was thinking the same. Turkish is a funky language. Did you know Aslan means ‘lion’ in Turkish? That’s where C.S. Lewis got the name. I thought that was cool...


15 posted on 10/15/2007 5:20:39 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (Star Wars teaches us a foreboding lesson--evil emperors start out as Senators)
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To: sourcery

It was 9 effin’ decades ago. Don’t you find the Democrats’ timing odd in the least?


16 posted on 10/15/2007 5:21:56 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Don’t trust anyone who can’t take a joke. [Congressman BillyBob])
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To: cool2007

I would not say that the US shot itself in the foot. More like Nancy Pelosi shot us in the foot.

I guess she’s trying to make a case for more gun control.


17 posted on 10/15/2007 5:22:13 PM PDT by Brilliant
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Of course, the Turks said this the last time Congress passed a resolution like this. They'll huff and they'll puff and they'll stamp their feet, and then they'll get over it; like they did last time. Of course, it would all go away if they would admit that what the Ottomans did was genocide.

(Not that the Democrats actually care about the Armenians; they don't. And therein lies the irony. One of the excuses the Turks have offered for the Ottomans' behavior during WWI was that the Russians were attempting to stir up Armenian separatists. From what I've read, the Russians were probably doing just that. But, like the Democrats, they really didn't care what happened to the Armenian people. When things got messy, the Russians were nowhere to be found. And where to you think the Democrats will be when their mess hits the fan?)

18 posted on 10/15/2007 5:22:18 PM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: cool2007

The question is why did the Democrats deem it necessary to do this now? Obviously the only answer is to damage relations with Turkey and damage the war effort in Iraq.


19 posted on 10/15/2007 5:22:22 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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To: RKV

Turkey simply isn’t your typical Muslim nation. It has decent trade relations with Israel. Folks really need to wake up to what is going on here. As far as I am concerned, this guy’s comments are fairly accurate.


20 posted on 10/15/2007 5:23:03 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Hillary has pay fever. There she goes now... "Ha Hsu, ha hsu, haaaa hsu, ha hsu...")
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