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New submachine gun could shake up the firearms world (KRISS Super V .45-caliber )
The Virginian-Pilot ^ | October 12, 2007 | JON W. GLASS

Posted on 10/13/2007 2:06:00 AM PDT by csvset

Tom Maffin, senior gunsmith for Transformational Defense Industries Inc. demonstrates the company's revolutionary Kriss Super V 45 caliber submachine gun at a range on the Blackwater USA campus in Moyock, N.C.

Stephen M. Katz photos | The Virginian-Pilot

MOYOCK, N.C.

His Ford Crown Victoria disabled by hostile fire, driver Tom Maffin scrambled from the car, crouched behind the hood and sprayed a target with automatic gunfire to cover for a passenger.

Maffin's weapon: a KRISS Super V .45-caliber submachine gun.

If you're military or law enforcement and haven't heard of it, chances are you soon will.

Maffin is senior gunsmith for Transformational Defense Industries Inc., a weapons technology firm that conducts its research and development from a Virginia Beach office park near Lynnhaven Mall. Watch video of the KRISS Super V submachine gun.

By early next year, the Washington-based TDI plans to open a production facility in Virginia Beach to begin manufacturing the submachine gun for police and military use and a .45-caliber semi automatic carbine for the commercial shooting market.

Industry experts say the weapons are unlike any other now on the market and could shake up the firearms world.

What makes the weapons special, company and industry officials say, is a new patented operating system that substantially reduces recoil and muzzle climb when fired.

The recoil, or kick, of a conventional weapon is directed backward into a shooter's shoulder, causing the gun to rise off target. TDI's "Super V" bolt-and-slide mechanism directs the energy downward in front of the trigger.

Company tests indicate the mechanism reduces recoil by 40 to 60 percent and muzzle rise by about 95 percent over conventional gun operating systems.

At a Thursday demonstration for media at a Blackwater USA firing range in Moyock, officials said their system improves accuracy and reduces user fatigue. The submachine gun can be fired with one hand and remain on target.

"This is the future of weapons right here," said Andrew Finn, TDI's senior vice president.

TDI has worked with the Army and special operations forces to develop the technology. It uses Blackwater's facilities to field test the weapons.

Officials set up the disabled vehicle scenario to demonstrate the maneuverability and firepower of the .45-caliber submachine gun, which TDI says is ideal for close-quarter situations the police and military encounter in urban settings.


The gun, which weighs about 5 pounds unloaded and collapses to a length of 16 inches, can be easily carried in helicopters, Humvees and other vehicles, said Maffin, a retired Marine who began working at TDI's Virginia Beach operation about a year ago.

"Seeing this product for the first time in my interview, I was sold," Maffin said. "It's got the knockdown power a lot of guys want."

Members of the media at the Thursday event, heavy in such trade publications as Guns & Ammo and Small Arms Review magazines, were allowed to shoot the submachine gun and the carbine.

"The reduction in recoil is absolutely amazing," said Wendy Henry, who works in Pennsylvania for Women In Scope, a TV series that promotes women's awareness of firearms. "It's very easy to maintain your control over it."

Frank Borelli, a law enforcement and military consultant in Maryland, said the weapon is "going to rock the firearms industry." He has fired the TDI submachine gun but did not attend the event.

"What they're doing is very different," Borelli said.

Some industry experts question whether the company will make significant inroads with military and police, which have moved away from submachine guns - in part because their pistol-caliber rounds can't pierce body armor. The gun's price tag - now expected to retail in the $1,200-to-$1,300 range - also could chill sales.

Company officials said interest is high, noting that they worked with the Army's Picatinny armament research and development arsenal in New Jersey to develop the technology.

These guns are the first product that TDI, a five-year-old subsidiary of Switzerland-based Gamma Research and Technologies Holding SA, has brought to market.

Chuck Kushell, TDI's chief executive officer and director, said the Virginia Beach operation, dubbed Viking Works, will grow once production starts in January or February.


Prototypes of the KRISS Super V .45-caliber submachine gun and carbine are displayed at TDI’s production facility in Virginia Beach.

Currently, eight engineers, machinists and gunsmiths work in a 4,000-square-foot facility. Kushell said he expects to more than double the space and add 15 to 20 employees as the company ramps up over the next few months.

To reach the civilian market, the company developed the .45-caliber carbine. Plans call for marketing it primarily to shooting enthusiasts who would use it for competitions and target practice, but it also could be used for hunting.

"This is not going to be a gun for everyone," Kushell said.

Company officials said the Super V mechanism can be adapted to any caliber weapon. Work currently is under way on a 12-gauge shotgun. And the company has won an Army contract valued at a little over $1 million to develop a lighter-weight, more user-friendly .50-caliber machine gun, Kushell said.

Jon W. Glass, (757) 446-2318, jon.glass@pilotonline.com


TOPICS: Business/Economy; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: avtomat; banglist; gunporn; kriss; machinepistol; smg; submachinegun; tdi
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To: ozzymandus
When you’ve got the bolt turning corners, there’s going to be a lot of wear.

My first thought too. That's a lot of energy to keep routing around a corner.

101 posted on 10/15/2007 9:36:52 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: ctdonath2

IF true, (and I remember that story at the time) it’s been erased from the “official” report, which just had SWAT arriving very late, with rifles. Presumably their own, but that was not stated one way or the other.


102 posted on 10/15/2007 9:38:27 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee

Hmmm.....

Whazzat screwed on the barrel, Travis?


103 posted on 10/15/2007 9:47:53 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Travis McGee

Was the “documentary” an episode of “Shootout?”

That one didn’t mention the private ARs either.


104 posted on 10/15/2007 9:50:27 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Travis McGee

Interesting. The run to B&B for suitable arms was a major component of the event. Due to inexplicable sociopolitical complications from that event, the store closed a few months after.

Apparently can’t have memory of when the gov’t turned to already-armed citizens for help...

...which is exactly what the real scare in “1984” was: the problem wasn’t so much “Big Brother is watching”, the problem was that any historical record inconvenient to the gov’t was systematically eliminated & replaced.


105 posted on 10/15/2007 10:05:20 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: thefactor

Probably in Yemen, Iraq or Afghanistan before here.


106 posted on 10/15/2007 10:27:58 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: ctdonath2; Travis McGee

Thanks for the memory correction, too few functioning brain cells these days...and at 80 yds I want a rifle EVERY time...


107 posted on 10/15/2007 11:18:08 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (A few Rams must look after the sheep 'til the Good Shepherd returns...)
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To: ctdonath2

I just trashed the offending episode of “Shootout” on itunes.

Now let’s see if they publish it.


108 posted on 10/15/2007 11:18:23 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: ctdonath2
...which is exactly what the real scare in “1984” was: the problem wasn’t so much “Big Brother is watching”, the problem was that any historical record inconvenient to the gov’t was systematically eliminated & replaced.

I really ought to read that book... would I be merely reading history at this point ???

109 posted on 10/15/2007 11:23:36 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (A few Rams must look after the sheep 'til the Good Shepherd returns...)
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To: thefactor

were all .45 here in NC


110 posted on 10/15/2007 11:26:29 AM PDT by Gone_Postal (We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat)
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To: Travis McGee
So would I, but if a pistol is all I have, I would make do!

There are few 2nd place medals awarded in gun fights—

111 posted on 10/15/2007 11:29:13 AM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: papertyger

that story sounds familiar too, but its been awhile and I cant recall fer sure all the details...prolly woulda sold a bunch of raffle tickets...


112 posted on 10/15/2007 11:34:17 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (A few Rams must look after the sheep 'til the Good Shepherd returns...)
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To: Gilbo_3
would I be merely reading history at this point ???

Not at all. And quite frankly, it would help you recognize what a government official that needs to be shot looks like.

113 posted on 10/15/2007 11:40:58 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Gilbo_3

Yes, you should read it. Pronto.
Others have, and are implementing it.
It will indeed sound awfully familiar.

As I noted, and as the book’s appendix (yes, a novel with an appendix) goes into great detail about, the real concern isn’t Big Brother watching everything, but that his minions are rewriting history and adjusting language precisely so that the would-be opposition is simply incapable of even _thinking_ offending thoughts.

To the subthread: that police turned to armed citizens (to wit: a store) for aid at North Hollywood is a fact inconvenient to our would-be tyrants, so they shut down the store involved and are writing it out of any history of the event. Now those arguing in favor of the 2nd Amendment have no hard history to point to.


114 posted on 10/15/2007 11:43:45 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: papertyger; ctdonath2
thanks for the info, I'll check it out asap. like I said before, I figured we had pretty much covered the book in real time at this point.

Any other 'must reads' ???

115 posted on 10/15/2007 1:44:20 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (A few Rams must look after the sheep 'til the Good Shepherd returns...)
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To: Gilbo_3

Farenheit 451 - TV-dazzled generation is no longer allowed to read, and woe to those who try.
Unintended Consequences - Lotta history, with a final buildup that sounds eerily similar. Read the last 100 pages if it’s too thick.
Tom Clancy’s Jack Ryan novels - Life is imitating the series. 9/11 was a bit too similar to Executive Orders.


116 posted on 10/15/2007 1:57:12 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: csvset

I was at AP fire Arms here in VB a couple of months ago when one of the testers brought 2 of these in for testing on the indoor range. All I can say is I want one when the civilian version comes out!


117 posted on 10/15/2007 1:59:54 PM PDT by Bottom_Gun (Crush depth dummy - proud NRA member & Certified Instructor)
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To: ctdonath2

I know nothing about armaments. I was taking a wild guess that accuracy suffered with less kickback


118 posted on 10/15/2007 2:50:26 PM PDT by dennisw (France needs a new kind of immigrant — one who is "selected, not endured" - Nicholas Sarkozy)
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To: dennisw

To the contrary: in a machinegun (or rapidly-fired semi-auto), less kick means easier control allowing greater accuracy.


119 posted on 10/15/2007 4:08:06 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: papertyger
like taking a Terzuola knife to a gunfight

Wow have you got a good memory ! I try to forget that happened.......I miss ole Bob ! He still on agua fria road ?

120 posted on 10/15/2007 4:13:47 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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