Posted on 10/11/2007 6:32:27 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA
A Minnesota university has suspended one of its graduate students who sent two e-mail messages to school officials supporting gun rights.
Hamline University also said that master's student Troy Scheffler, who owns a firearm, would be barred from campus and must receive a mandatory "mental health evaluation" after he sent an e-mail message arguing that law-abiding students should be able to carry firearms on campus for self-defense.
Hamline spokesman Jacqueline Getty declined on Wednesday to answer questions about the suspension, saying that federal privacy laws prohibited the school from commenting. Scheffler had previously waived his privacy rights in a letter to Hamline University President Linda Hanson.
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“I think any person who thinks on the subject will see in the long run kids with guns on campus will cause more problems than solve. Most of the people on this board would agree too, though they won”t say it. Outside of this board I would bet (if i were a betting man) 95% of people would agree with me.”
I think you are wrong.
In the first place, it’s not kids with guns. It is CCW permit holders who have had background checks, reference checks and usually, mandated training. That means the vast majority of concealed weapons would be in the hands of faculty.
Secondly, CCW is already a reality on the streets you walk down. I’m trying to recall an instance of a legal CCW holder killing somebody that wasn’t threatening to kill him or her. I can’t speak with 100% certainty, but I can’t recall any such instance within my state, NH, in my lifetime. The people doing the killing with guns are not legal CCW permit holders.
You seem to make the erroneous assumption that there would be a large percent of armed individuals on campus if CCW permit holders were allow to carry concealed weapons. At my school, we were declared gun free only six years ago. Up to that date, CCW was legal. Very few people carried concealed weapons and we never once had a gun incident of any kind. Historical fact contradicts your assertion that CCW would create increased gun violence on campus. As far as I know, all gun violence in schools has been initiated by people without valid CCW permits. As far as I know, only one of these incidents was met with return force; that being an Assistant Principal who retrieved his firearm from his locked vehicle to respond to a student without a CCW permit.
So, history and current experiences indicate that allowing legal CCW permit holders to carry concealed weapons would not increase gun violence in schools. It might, however, lessen the number of injuries when a nut case illegally enters the school and starts shooting people.
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Which has nothing to do with the constitutional right to free speech, does it?
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That explains his complaining about Jews as teachers, doesn't it.
I didn’t see that.
No, that analogy was correct. You can be killed with a pencil...if you aren't aware that the pencil will be used as weapon. When faced with an adversary using a gun, you don't counter it with pencils, knives or bare hands. You need an equivalent capability to deal with the threat at a distance. That's still no guarantee of success, but it levels the playing field between attacker and victim.
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Gotta do your homework....it's in one of the e-mails he sent. The point is this guy should have been looked at given the text of his messages and recent history of recent school/college shootings.
That is probably a good point and in most places carrying concealed weapons on your person is banned unless you can demonstrate a good reason why you need one. And if that is not the way it is it ought to be. And that is especially true for a college campus.
Okay...but God forbid you ever need someone with a gun to protect you...I hope they don't bring a pencil.
Good luck with that.
Huh?
People are going to carry guns on campus. Either we make it legal for the law-abiding to carry them on campus, or else the only ones carrying them will be those with bad intentions.
Now that I think about it, I failed to take into account that I enrolled at a school that provided convicted murderers (among other ne'er-do-wells) free tuition...
Projection.
Just because you don't think you can be trusted with a constitutional right doesn't mean you should deny it to others.
Didn't Congress go into a hyperventilating tizz on Bob Jones University forbidding interracial dating?
Political correct lunacy permeates everything!
What will be the tipping point for the folks to start doing something about this?
Be Ever Vigilant!!
Exactomundo!
Thank you.
BTTT
The guy got punished as a result of political correctness. If you can’t even mention certain topics on campus without fear of reprisal then that is an infringement of free speech in my book.
I can understand why the college reacted in the way they did. Don't you?
Not saying I disagree with the student...but he does show signs of a person with a smoldering fuse, don't you agree?
” carrying concealed weapons on your person is banned unless you can demonstrate a good reason why you need one. And if that is not the way it is it ought to be.”
Gotta disagree with that! It’s for one’s protection. You could be mugged, robbed, stabbed,or shot, carjacked etc., etc., and you’re just an ordinary person.
Smacks self on forehead and says, “I coulda had a CCW!
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