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Grad student suspended after pro gun rights e-mail(Just Wow!)
news.com ^ | 10/10/2007 | Declan McCullagh

Posted on 10/11/2007 6:32:27 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA

A Minnesota university has suspended one of its graduate students who sent two e-mail messages to school officials supporting gun rights.

Hamline University also said that master's student Troy Scheffler, who owns a firearm, would be barred from campus and must receive a mandatory "mental health evaluation" after he sent an e-mail message arguing that law-abiding students should be able to carry firearms on campus for self-defense.

Hamline spokesman Jacqueline Getty declined on Wednesday to answer questions about the suspension, saying that federal privacy laws prohibited the school from commenting. Scheffler had previously waived his privacy rights in a letter to Hamline University President Linda Hanson.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: banglist; hr2640; leftismoncampus
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To: vikingd00d

Re: They’re allowed to be as dysfunctional as their alumni allow.

So they could ban African-Americans from enrolling?


21 posted on 10/11/2007 6:46:11 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: vikingd00d
On what grounds?

Here are the grounds: he's paying the University for a service. Due to things about him that they don't like, they are withdrawing that service. They need to either a) provide the service as agreed or b) return the money plus interest plus apologies for time wasted on their campus when he could've been somewhere else doing something productive.
22 posted on 10/11/2007 6:47:54 AM PDT by JamesP81
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To: Red in Blue PA

His 1st and 2nd amendment rights were violated. How in the world do they get away with this?


23 posted on 10/11/2007 6:48:28 AM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: AppyPappy
The e-mails, from the article:

Read them for yourself: The first, to Vice President of Student Affairs David Stern, said: "I myself am tired of having to pay my own extremely overpriced tuition to make up for minorities not paying theirs. On top of that, I am sick of seeing them held to a different standard than the white students (Of course its a lower and more lenient standard)."

The second message, to President Linda Hanson, said: "For a 'Christian' university, I am very disappointed in Hamline. With the motif of the curriculum, the atheist professors, jewish and other non-Christian staff, I would charge the school with wanton misrepresentation...3 out of 3 students just in my class that are 'minorities' are planning on returning to Africa and all 3 are getting a free education ON MY DOLLAR." (Hamline is affiliated with the United Methodist Church and claims to promote "the ethics and values of the United Methodist tradition.")

24 posted on 10/11/2007 6:48:40 AM PDT by Red Boots
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To: Red in Blue PA

Need more info before passing judgement


25 posted on 10/11/2007 6:48:49 AM PDT by Joan Kerrey (Believe nothing of what you hear or read and half of what you see.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
must receive a mandatory "mental health evaluation"

Oh how those leftists sure wish they could just send him to an old-fashioned Soviet-style gulag.

26 posted on 10/11/2007 6:49:54 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo ("Hidin' in a corner ...of New York City, lookin' down a .44 in West Virginy")
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Ah, the real problem was the whining about minorities while demanding the right to carry a gun. A leftie isn’t going to stand still for that.


27 posted on 10/11/2007 6:50:15 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Judging from the letters (which any mildly resourceful individual can find by clicking on the provided link), it appears he was suspended more for his overall political incorrectness than his defense of the 2nd Amendment.

Regardless, what’s happening at this university is totally indefensible. These fascists are completely out of control.


28 posted on 10/11/2007 6:51:17 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (We didn't "win" the Cold War. We had a half-time lead.)
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To: Red Boots; AppyPappy

You posted only part of the e-mail messages. Follow the links that are in the article and you can see the whole things.


29 posted on 10/11/2007 6:51:21 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

The idea of people carrying guns on campus is crazy. But, that does not mean that a person who advocates it is crazy. The people who are crazy are these maggot left wingers who try to cram their agenda down everyone else’s throat.


30 posted on 10/11/2007 6:52:11 AM PDT by bilhosty
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To: Red in Blue PA

So much for the antiquated notion of self defense as well.
I very much hope that no crooks take advantage of this and infest the Hamline area.


31 posted on 10/11/2007 6:53:04 AM PDT by akorahil (Thank You and God bless all Veterans. Truly, the real heroes.)
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To: Gondring

What little I saw is grounds for being sent to the Reeducation Camp. I mean, these are Methodists for goddess’s sake.


32 posted on 10/11/2007 6:53:47 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Red in Blue PA; ExSoldier; paul51; EdReform; 2nd amendment mama
The suspension alone is unbelievable. But the mental health examination????? What in the world are these people thinking?

They are thinking HR 2640, pure and simple. Note how they use the mental health weapon. Is that straight out of the play book or what? talk about a quick draw!

It is not a stretch to think about why the anti-2nd forces in Congress are pressing 2640. Does the NRA really think there are enough safeguards against the tactic being employed by the school in the case in point? It is pretty damned obvious how the grabbers changed tactics after the VT tragedy changed the tone on gun-free zones. "OK, guns are alright but only in the hands of those mentally fit to have them, mentally fit being defined as not wanting a firearm." How difficult would it be to find a pshrink to say the student was a danger? Not hard at all.

33 posted on 10/11/2007 6:53:58 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Sue their pants off.


34 posted on 10/11/2007 6:54:05 AM PDT by RockinRight (Can we start calling Fred "44" now, please?)
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To: Red in Blue PA

freedom of speech is only effective if you are of liberal mind.


35 posted on 10/11/2007 6:54:43 AM PDT by television is just wrong (deport all illegal aliens NOW. Put all AMERICANS TO WORK FIRST. END Welfare)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Damned stinkin lieburralls. A pox on all of their houses.
Too bad the boy can’t spell, though.


36 posted on 10/11/2007 6:54:49 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: AppyPappy

Yes, his frustration with minorities shows in his emails, but that is absolutely no reason to suspend someone and order a mental health examination......unless of course opinions are no longer allowed in this country.


37 posted on 10/11/2007 6:55:11 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: NonValueAdded

If it had been an email excoriating Bush, he would have gotten an A+.


38 posted on 10/11/2007 6:57:56 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Note to self: Don’t mix gun rights issues with other non-related issues when writing e-mails and letters.

If this kid hadn’t run off at the mouth about all of his other grievances (which are probably legitimate), he would be in a much stronger position to defend his position.


39 posted on 10/11/2007 6:59:17 AM PDT by A. Patriot (CZ 52's ROCK)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I deplore our suit happy culture . . .

but I hope he sues their socks off and wins big bucks.


40 posted on 10/11/2007 7:00:07 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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