Where's Elsie???
Here is Jesus on toast!
Posted on 10/04/2007 9:40:06 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
When Mitt Romney appeared last week (via closed circuit from California) before the Council of Retired Chief Executives meeting in Washington, he faced kindred souls: rich Republicans who had managed big enterprises. Yet the second question from the audience was whether Romney's Mormon faith was hurting his quest for the Republican presidential nomination. He replied that about the only people who brought up his religion were members of the media, an answer that simply is untrue.
Romney is asked about Mormonism wherever he goes. In my travels, I find his religious preference cited everywhere as the source of opposition to his candidacy. His response to the former chief executives that only reporters care about this issue sounded like a politician's tired evasion. Romney was either too obtuse to appreciate his problem or was stalling because he had not determined how to deal with it. Contact with his advisers indicates that it's the latter.
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This is patently not true.
There is no AUTHORITY to even DO your Temple Rites® if they cannot be found in your 'scriptures'.
Yes, I can.
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“For someone who didn’t want to be silenced and who loves to attack and condemn Mormons for their beliefs, you are ominously quiet when it comes to expressing your beliefs. So why do you get so bent out of shape when we have to guess what you believe?”
Because you aren’t my Confessor, you have no moral weight as an atheist, you are a lost soul who is not up to any good but only wishes to drag other people down into your sorry pit of despair. I don’t “owe” you the time of day, especially since every post you come out with attempts to insert words and positions into my mouth. I don’t play games with someone who claims to have no moral foundation (and then must continually try and in insinuate without basis that I have no beliefs in tedious post after post). If I had no beliefs, you wouldn’t be so absolutely desperate to try and break them down.
“So apparently you agree with my definition of God? I have asked you repeatedly for your definition and you have failed to give it.
My definition of God is the null set, it doesn’t exist. So by definition God doesn’t exist.”
And I said before that you should do your own work and provide your own definition of God. I also said I would wait to see how small a paper-tiger God you put up so that you could knock it down and you have not disappointed. That’s the best you could come up with? The null set?
But even there you screwed up, because are you now saying that the null set doesn’t exist? Yup, you are blind to the holes in your own logic.
“Still waiting to see if you have any beliefs? Apparently not.”
Again, coming from an atheist, that is quite a ludicrous accusation. Besides, you confuse being judiciously silent to a total absence of belief - an extreme logical falacy that is monkey stupid. A mountain on a windless day is silent but can hardly be wished away by some doltish statement.
“What is the difference between being silenced and saying nothing?”
A zero is just as much a bit of information as a 1. Imposing silence on someone is quite a bit different than their saying nothing - censure is information destructive while silence is information.
“You falsely accused me of wanting to silence you and now you have nothing to say.”
I falsely accused you of nothing, you were well aware of what you were trying to do by insuating a cabal existed. Or do you just make empty accusations assuming no one will act on your ego inflated drivel? And I’ve said plenty, it’s your hysteria that is a bit disconcerting.
“Evangelicals will never vote a Mormon for any office.”
And they should be ashamed of themselves for it. It’s just pure bigotry against Mormons.
Thats not Bigotry... It is Hyperbole...
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Healthy belly laugh placemarker. Hyperbole indeed! Bwahahahaha ... Gorton Smith, Harry’the undertaker’Reid, Orrin Hatchling ... LOL
Elsie Mathematically speaking; just what ARE the odds??
Very close to infinity to 1.
Legrande That is the point isn't it, that nothing can be known with absolute certainty.
Elsie Are you sure about this statement?
Absolutely : )
Do you know what projection is? You are the one whose only purpose here is to attack Mormon beliefs. The only beliefs that you have expressed are that Mormons are irrational, evil, deluded, etc.
And I said before that you should do your own work and provide your own definition of God. I also said I would wait to see how small a paper-tiger God you put up so that you could knock it down and you have not disappointed. That’s the best you could come up with? The null set?
For something that doesn't exist? Yes of course.
But even there you screwed up, because are you now saying that the null set doesn’t exist? Yup, you are blind to the holes in your own logic.
The concept of something that doesn't exist is entirely distinct from the subject. Do you understand what a symbol is?
I falsely accused you of nothing, you were well aware of what you were trying to do by insuating a cabal existed. Or do you just make empty accusations assuming no one will act on your ego inflated drivel? And I’ve said plenty, it’s your hysteria that is a bit disconcerting.
You falsely accused me of trying to censor you and members of your cabal. Now you falsely accuse me of making empty allegations. The ping list and your groups continued anti Mormon postings are evidence of your cabal.
cabal (noun) - a small group of persons joined in a secret, often political, intrigue
I didn't realize Flying Inman opposition to Mormonism was being kept secret! We need to alert the readers at FR to keep this all very hush hush don'tchaknow.
“You falsely accused me of trying to censor you and members of your cabal. Now you falsely accuse me of making empty allegations. The ping list and your groups continued anti Mormon postings are evidence of your cabal.”
This is just too funny. The only reason to use the word “cabal” in a serious discussion is to imply there is a group of people worthy of censure or excommunication:
cabal:
1. a small group of secret plotters, as against a government or person in authority.
2. the plots and schemes of such a group; intrigue.
So let me translate what you are saying. You said:
“You falsely accused me of trying to censor you and members of your cabal.”
What that is equivalent to saying is [You falsely accused me of trying to censor you and members of your ‘small group of secret plotters, as against a government or person in authority.’]
Only the exceptionally dull of wit would not recognize that as a call for censure. It would be like saying “I am not for censoring people who must be censored.” I mean, how long can you avoid realizing how weak are your arguments?
“The concept of something that doesn’t exist is entirely distinct from the subject. Do you understand what a symbol is?”
Apparently I understand a lot better than you. You just said God is the null set. Then you said God does not exist. Therefore what you just implied is the null set does not exist, which invalidates your original definition. It’s this kind of sloppy thinking that permeates your discussions.
Excuse me, but quoting unrelated scripture just makes you look as loony as a moonbat.
It makes it look like you are incapable of independent thought, that you are sheep who quote scripture that you don’t understand. Kinda like how liberals quote leftist dogma that makes no sense.
[That is the point isn’t it, that nothing can be known with absolute certainty.]
“Are you sure about this statement?”
I offered to hit him in the head with a brick until Heisenberg Uncertainty made me miss, but alas, he ignored me :(
You are exactly right. You will be held accountable for not receiving His Word.
Borrowing the words of a wise man, “Duly noted.”
The Church, since its inception in 1830, has made every effort NOT to be confused with American Protestantism. We are not a church born out of 4th century doctrine, but represent the Church as it existed in Christ’s day. The Church and the Gospel of Jesus Christ was restored to the earth in its fulness through a Prophet of God. Christ is at its head with Prophets and Apostles- as he said there would be. We hold the Priesthood of God and officiate in the Lord’s Holy House in ordinances that are eternal in nature- sanctioned and sealed by divine authority. We believe we existed with God as His literal spirit children before coming to earth. We believe God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost to be three separate and distinct personages. There is much indeed in which we are different from Protestantism. There is never a time where we as a people have not celebrated Christmas. I don’t even know where you got that one from, unless of course you are confusing us with Jehova’s Witnesses. Now, you may disagree with the doctrine of the Church and have energetic debates on scripture and principle without “picking” on anyone or resorting to lying or slandering as the others have done to make your points. I know the Lord deals intimately with all His children to present the truth to them when they are ready to receive it and that He works actively in everyone’s life to bring that moment to them. Therefore I take every man as he comes and try to see the best in them. I have no patience for liers, however, who make themselves the children of the adversary. You are new to FreeRepublic and it is my hope as you address your differences that we may debate in a civil and by no means dispassionate manner. But that we may do so in a spirit of friendship is my sincere hope.
Whatever.
Christ is at its[can we assume this poster means 'the LDS church?] head with Prophets and Apostles- as he said there would be. But Mormonism claims this 'Church' was somehow defeated from being with us always as Jesus told us He would be ... this heresy of only LDS having the Apostolic authority of Jesus Christ must first sow a field of doubt into which to seed the heresies. When this heretical religion known as Mormonism claims the Lord Jesus Christ's life giving redemptive work was in need of 'restoring', it is no stretch to claim speciously that He lead their false prophet, proven liar, and diviner of 'manuscripts and treasure'. If you're going to declare a lie, do it boldly seems to be the motto of Smithism.
We hold the Priesthood of God and officiate in the Lord’s Holy House in ordinances that are eternal in nature- sanctioned and sealed by divine authority. This assertion is without proof or merit, but all one needs to see to expose the heresy is to show the false nature of the Book of Mormon --the archaeological evidence is negative, not even neutral, for the fantasies in the BofM, and the genetic evidence links native Americans to the far Eastern races rather than semitic races-- and expose the character of the fabricator of Mormonism and it's fake 'scriptures' like the Book of Abraham.
We believe we existed with God as His literal spirit children before coming to earth.... and Mormonism claims Jesus was created rather than is God from all eternity.
We believe God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost to be three separate and distinct personages.Polytheism.
There is much indeed in which we are different from Protestantism. Actually, there is too much difference to call this religion Christianity.
Are you sure? Has the original cell that all life came from ever died? Do you live in your children? Questions, questions, questions : ) Absolute certainty is a very rare commodity.
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