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A Mormon in the Oval Office?
Washington Post ^ | October 4, 2007 | Robert Novak

Posted on 10/04/2007 9:40:06 AM PDT by greyfoxx39

When Mitt Romney appeared last week (via closed circuit from California) before the Council of Retired Chief Executives meeting in Washington, he faced kindred souls: rich Republicans who had managed big enterprises. Yet the second question from the audience was whether Romney's Mormon faith was hurting his quest for the Republican presidential nomination. He replied that about the only people who brought up his religion were members of the media, an answer that simply is untrue.

Romney is asked about Mormonism wherever he goes. In my travels, I find his religious preference cited everywhere as the source of opposition to his candidacy. His response to the former chief executives that only reporters care about this issue sounded like a politician's tired evasion. Romney was either too obtuse to appreciate his problem or was stalling because he had not determined how to deal with it. Contact with his advisers indicates that it's the latter.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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To: Elsie
What is your real purpose?

I enjoy exposing hypocrits : ) Nothing pleases me more than to knock people off their pedestals, except for maybe a deep powder skiing day, or doing yard work, or reading a good book, or you get the idea.

481 posted on 10/05/2007 9:22:31 AM PDT by LeGrande (Muslims, Jews and Christians all believe in the same God of Abraham.)
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To: LeGrande
Sun Tzu said that it is important to know the enemy, then you will win in all your battles.

Why is anyone's religion your enemy?

482 posted on 10/05/2007 9:23:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
So many Mormnons; So little time.

You really are funny sometimes : )

483 posted on 10/05/2007 9:24:32 AM PDT by LeGrande (Muslims, Jews and Christians all believe in the same God of Abraham.)
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To: LeGrande
Nothing pleases me more than to knock people off their pedestals, except for maybe a deep powder skiing day, or doing yard work, or reading a good book, or you get the idea.

I DO get it; but fail to understand it.

Why would an 'atheist' wish to have a 'holier than thou' attitude?

484 posted on 10/05/2007 9:25:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: LeGrande
You really are funny sometimes : )

...a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down.

485 posted on 10/05/2007 9:27:00 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: LeGrande
The Council of 50 included non-mormons. It was set up to symboliccally represent the future Kingdom of God in the Millenium, but was to deal with secular matters. The Council of the Apostles still had the keys to the authority of the priesthood. It was pivotal in organizing the exodus and dividing the wagon trains into captains and what not. It was also pivotal in setting up the government in the utah territory. The Counciul recognized Jesus as "King of Kings" but did anoint Joseph Smith and later Brigham Young as a "king of the House of Israel". David was also annointed a King of Israel. It does not mean it supercedes the king of Kings. The bible differentiates between the earthly kings annointed by Prophets such as David and the King of Kings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_50

486 posted on 10/05/2007 9:44:07 AM PDT by Rameumptom (Gen X= they killed 1 in 4 of us)
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To: greyfoxx39

Yes, I care for and about my friends. I give a rip about your “silent majority”. Your screen name should be “NonSequitur”.


487 posted on 10/05/2007 9:45:46 AM PDT by DanielLongo (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: greyfoxx39

I made the exception for “priests” in my post. They are not “pastors”. Read it and you will see.


488 posted on 10/05/2007 9:48:28 AM PDT by DanielLongo (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: svcw
If God called them, he would have had them set apart by priesthood authority. Paul did not take that honor upon himself even after seeing the vision. He understood that to be motivated to preach the Word of God was not the same as being “called” to preach the word of God. “Called of God” is a colloquialism that evangelical pastors like to use, but declaring ONESELF "called" has no scriptural support. No man in the scriptures EVER took the honor upon himself, but was set apart as was Aaron by those having authority.
489 posted on 10/05/2007 9:55:47 AM PDT by DanielLongo (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: Elsie
14. Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

The Lord has not ordained a single pastor in all of America to preach the gospel. That they want to is admirable, but they have no commission aside from their own inclinations. Show me in the scriptures where any man ever took that honor upon himself, without being set apart by the laying on of hands by those having authority. No man is an authority unto himself, but that is what pastors would have us believe. They are wrong.

490 posted on 10/05/2007 10:02:06 AM PDT by DanielLongo (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: DanielLongo

No.


491 posted on 10/05/2007 10:10:25 AM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: Rameumptom

Yeah, I don’t know for sure about that. The point I was trying to make is even if they were, they were doing so with the sanction of the Lord for they had been set apart to that office. Pastors have not a leg to stand on when it comes to priesthood authority or being called of God according to the scriptures.


492 posted on 10/05/2007 10:11:52 AM PDT by DanielLongo (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: DanielLongo; Rameumptom; greyfoxx39; colorcountry; FastCoyote; MHGinTN; Pan_Yans Wife; svcw; ...

Don’t all you all Christians know. YOU HAVE NO AUTHORITY! This is what DanielLongo believes it is what Mitt Romney believes.

We are all just running around playing like we know Christ, but without the proper priesthood authority and the laying on of hands, we are nothing but an apostate bunch!

I hope you know Daniel, that your Church also preaches that the Catholics have no authority either. YOUR Church believes the Catholic Church fell into apostasy shortly after Christ was crucified and that the Lord’s Church was removed from the earth until it was restored to Joseph Smith in the early 1800’s.

Thanks danny boy. You just effectively proved what we have been saying for months now. And your defenders have been saying they never “attack” another persons faith. BAH!


493 posted on 10/05/2007 10:28:00 AM PDT by colorcountry (If the plain sense makes sense, seek no other sense, lest you get nonsense! ~ J. Vernon McGee)
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To: piytar; Bobkk47; Spiff; redgirlinabluestate; CheyennePress; Canticle_of_Deborah
You forget the opertive word IF

If Mr. Limbaugh made the remark he is reported to have made, it reflects very poorly on him."

This is all Romney said because he had not heard the original story!

And you are trying to make a hay out of this!

News flash not everyone listens to talk radio if they are focused on a champaign!

I don't hear Rush making a deal out of this and I a member of his EIB link to hear all of his programs!

I have read a lot of hear say!

The Huffington piece there are parts missing for it appears to cut and jumps!

To say might have voted for Mitt causes to doubt for get your news from a negative blog!

494 posted on 10/05/2007 10:31:24 AM PDT by restornu (No one is perfect but you can always strive to do the right thing! Press Forward Mitt!)
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To: Paulus Invictus

PI,

Clearly you exaggerate! Scientology, another American Cult,
like Mormonism, states that it is the fastest growing. Don’t
forget, Mormonism had a HUNDRED year head start on
Scientology. Yet they are cleaning your clock!

You have Larry King, they have Tom Cruise.

You both can keep them.

“No religion in history has spread as fast or as far in as short a time as Scientology. Today it is practiced in more than 30 languages in 129 countries on every continent.”

The truth is that neither Mormonism nor Scientology is to be trusted when they report their own numbers. Nor any other cult. Cults lie. Their central authority structure controls
information. Followers must follow.

ampu


495 posted on 10/05/2007 10:38:58 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: DanielLongo; Revelation 911; Elsie; Colofornian; trisham; narses; Greg F; JRochelle; ...

HEBREWS 1:1-4 In many parts, and many ways, God of old having spoken to the fathers in the prophets, in these last days did speak to us in a Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He did make the ages; who being the brightness of the glory, and the impress of His subsistence, bearing up also the all things by the saying of his might -- through himself having made a cleansing of our sins, sat down at the right hand of the greatness in the highest, having become so much better than the messengers, as he did inherit a more excellent name than they. [ Young’s literal translation from the Greek ]

The Book of Hebrews was written to Jews who were familiar with prophets and priests of Judaism. The author’s purpose becomes clear very quickly because the writer contrasts the past method by which God spoke to the Hebrews --via prophets-- with the new way He speaks to us via His Son. The writer is making this case to people who had identified themselves as Christians and making the case in order to prevent them falling back into Judaism and/or falling short of true faith in Christ rather than the system of the law and the prophets.

Mormonism has sought to reestablish the Judaism system of ‘law and prophets’ … which Jesus replaced by fulfilling them and has thus become our Great High Priest and speaks directly to us via His Word such that we are not now to establish ‘different’ or ’new’ doctrine and covenants via ‘prophets‘ calling themselves messengers of God:

HEBREWS 2:5 For not to messengers did He subject the coming world, concerning which we speak,

. . .

2:7 Thou didst make him some little less than messengers, with glory and honour Thou didst crown him, and didst set him over the works of Thy hands,

. . .

2:9 and him who was made some little less than messengers we see -- Jesus -- because of the suffering of the death, with glory and honour having been crowned, that by the grace of God for every one he might taste of death.


496 posted on 10/05/2007 10:53:54 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support. Defend life support for others in the womb.)
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To: DanielLongo
The Lord has not ordained a single pastor in all of America to preach the gospel. That they want to is admirable, but they have no commission aside from their own inclinations. Show me in the scriptures where any man ever took that honor upon himself...

"While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction...My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for THOSE who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one..." (John 17:12, 20-21)

Question: Was Jesus' praying for "those who will believe in me through Joseph's word, or through the message of his immediate disciples' Word? (So who exactly did Jesus pray for again? I mean why would Jesus bother to pray for down-the-line "apostates" who arose from a supposedly truncated Word of God?)

So...Jesus is specifically praying here for the believers who would arise from the First Testimony of Jesus Christ. (Sounds like pretty authoritative to me)

As for the "believers" who would rise up from a supposed "Second Testimony" of Jesus Christ, those "believers" won't even pray directly to Jesus even those the supposed "Nephite" disciples did (3 Nephi 19:18, 24-26). Those "believers" won't even go around mentioning that they worship Jesus even though those supposed "Nephite" disciples did (3 Nephi 11:17). Those "believers" won't go around highlighting that Jesus Christ is "their Lord & God" even though those supposed "Nephite" disciples did (3 Nephi 19:18). (Maybe LDS need to spend more time just reading their own Book of Mormon, starting with 3 Nephi).

Also, see John 1:12: "Yet to ALL ["all" in the Greek means "all"] who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God--children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God." (John 1:12-13)

Did you catch that?..nothing "human" is involved in receiving, believing Christ. The Greek word for "right" in John 1:12 is exousia and it means "authority." So to ALL who receive & believe in Jesus' name--He (not any mere human authority) gives the authority to be His children (now why would Jesus need to give this authority if all folks on earth were already his spirit-kids in heaven in some pre-mortal existence?)

497 posted on 10/05/2007 10:56:03 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: colorcountry
Do you think I own a pair or not?

Perhaps you do, but that isn't the issue, as you know. The issue is that you are not trustworthy.

Have I ever said I am “not mormon?”

LOL So now you are suddenly trying to claim you are? Gee, we've been bantering back and forth for awhile now, and you're just bringing this up? Uh huh.

498 posted on 10/05/2007 11:03:27 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MHGinTN
I think we can both agree that the chance of either of us converting to Mormonism is zero. That being said, what is your principal objection to Romney as the Republican nominee? Or does it begin with him as a candidate, prior to the primaries?

I am pro-Thompson, btw.

499 posted on 10/05/2007 11:07:08 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Elsie

And your meaning is...?


500 posted on 10/05/2007 11:09:07 AM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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