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To: Elsie
14. Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

The Lord has not ordained a single pastor in all of America to preach the gospel. That they want to is admirable, but they have no commission aside from their own inclinations. Show me in the scriptures where any man ever took that honor upon himself, without being set apart by the laying on of hands by those having authority. No man is an authority unto himself, but that is what pastors would have us believe. They are wrong.

490 posted on 10/05/2007 10:02:06 AM PDT by DanielLongo (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: DanielLongo
The Lord has not ordained a single pastor in all of America to preach the gospel. That they want to is admirable, but they have no commission aside from their own inclinations. Show me in the scriptures where any man ever took that honor upon himself...

"While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction...My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for THOSE who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one..." (John 17:12, 20-21)

Question: Was Jesus' praying for "those who will believe in me through Joseph's word, or through the message of his immediate disciples' Word? (So who exactly did Jesus pray for again? I mean why would Jesus bother to pray for down-the-line "apostates" who arose from a supposedly truncated Word of God?)

So...Jesus is specifically praying here for the believers who would arise from the First Testimony of Jesus Christ. (Sounds like pretty authoritative to me)

As for the "believers" who would rise up from a supposed "Second Testimony" of Jesus Christ, those "believers" won't even pray directly to Jesus even those the supposed "Nephite" disciples did (3 Nephi 19:18, 24-26). Those "believers" won't even go around mentioning that they worship Jesus even though those supposed "Nephite" disciples did (3 Nephi 11:17). Those "believers" won't go around highlighting that Jesus Christ is "their Lord & God" even though those supposed "Nephite" disciples did (3 Nephi 19:18). (Maybe LDS need to spend more time just reading their own Book of Mormon, starting with 3 Nephi).

Also, see John 1:12: "Yet to ALL ["all" in the Greek means "all"] who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God--children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God." (John 1:12-13)

Did you catch that?..nothing "human" is involved in receiving, believing Christ. The Greek word for "right" in John 1:12 is exousia and it means "authority." So to ALL who receive & believe in Jesus' name--He (not any mere human authority) gives the authority to be His children (now why would Jesus need to give this authority if all folks on earth were already his spirit-kids in heaven in some pre-mortal existence?)

497 posted on 10/05/2007 10:56:03 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: DanielLongo
Show me in the scriptures where any man ever took that honor upon himself, without being set apart by the laying on of hands by those having authority.
 
Ok...
 
 
NIV 1 Peter 4:11
   If  anyone speaks, he should do it as one speaking the very words of God. If   anyone  serves, he should do it with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To him be the glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen.
 
 
 Philippians 1:14
   Because of my chains, most of the brothers in the Lord have been encouraged to speak the word of God more courageously and fearlessly.
 
 
 2 Corinthians 13:2-3
 2.  I already gave you a warning when I was with you the second time. I now repeat it while absent: On my return I will not spare those who sinned earlier or any of the others,
 3.  since you are demanding proof that Christ is speaking through me. He is not weak in dealing with you, but is powerful among you.
 

 
 Romans 15:18
   I will not venture to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me in leading the Gentiles to obey God by what I have said and done--
 
 
 
 
 
 

561 posted on 10/06/2007 4:26:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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