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How we can bring him down (Ahmadinejad)
NY Daily News ^ | September 24 2007 | J. SCOTT CARPENTER

Posted on 09/24/2007 2:46:49 PM PDT by knighthawk

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To: knighthawk

Ahmadinejad is a pest. His survival depends on antagonizing the US. The best thing that the US can do is ignore him and treat him like a non-threat. This will drop the price of oil, undercutting his financial support and causing economic troubles in Iran. The Iranian people will stop rallying around the President and start blaming him for their economic troubles.

Then after Ahmadinejad is voted out we normalize trade relations with Iran, which will help their economy and we are seen as the good guys.

We immediately benefit from cheaper oil prices, and over the long run we would benefit from more international trade and investment, and we will not have to bear the cost of going to war.


21 posted on 09/24/2007 3:50:06 PM PDT by hahajohnnyb
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To: knighthawk
...how can we bring him down...?

Are they kidding? The answeer is obvious, but would be pulled from FR is 5 seconds. Really dumb question.

22 posted on 09/24/2007 3:55:11 PM PDT by GoldenPup
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To: knighthawk

“When he takes the UN rostrum, President Bush must place America firmly on the side of the Iranian people. He need only recall his 2005 State of the Union address and promise actions to match those stirring words: “As the Iranian people struggle for their freedom, America will stand with them.” Investing in the Iranian people - now, while there is still time - is the best way to effect peaceful change in Iran without resort to military force.”

Exactly!
President Bush, announce to the world that you are backing the Iranians who want regime change in Iran.


23 posted on 09/24/2007 3:55:15 PM PDT by nuconvert ("Terrorism is not the enemy. It is a means to the ends of militant Islamism." MZJ)
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To: hahajohnnyb

“The best thing that the US can do is ignore him and treat him like a non-threat. This will drop the price of oil, undercutting his financial support and causing economic troubles in Iran. The Iranian people will stop rallying around the President and start blaming him for their economic troubles.”

Yes, he’s a pest, but Ahmadinejad doesn’t run the country. And very few people rally around Ahmadinejad.
So ignoring him won’t do squat. Except maybe get him replaced.


24 posted on 09/24/2007 3:59:26 PM PDT by nuconvert ("Terrorism is not the enemy. It is a means to the ends of militant Islamism." MZJ)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Take a flight over to Tehran, and try that yourself, Mr. Brave!

It's not my country, it's not my problem to solve.

25 posted on 09/24/2007 3:59:59 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Trails of troubles, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.'s just a pretty fairy tale.)
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To: Jim Noble

“It’s not my country, it’s not my problem to solve.”

No it isn’t. But if you check my 14000 posts, you will find me a CONSERVATIVE devotee of FR. I speak the truth.


26 posted on 09/24/2007 4:02:24 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
How would you like to go up against a government that will KILL YOU IF YOU OPENLY STRAY FROM THE NORM?

America was created by, and survives because of, the willingness to do exactly that.

Places where bovine masses live under absolute despotism are the way they are because their people are unworthy of freedom.

It's not something we can do for them. They have to do it themselves.

27 posted on 09/24/2007 4:06:39 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Trails of troubles, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.'s just a pretty fairy tale.)
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To: knighthawk

I’m still hoping for a coup while he’s out of the country.


28 posted on 09/24/2007 4:08:46 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: Jim Noble

No comparison.....I say that respectfully.


29 posted on 09/24/2007 4:13:57 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: knighthawk

Give him more rope.


30 posted on 09/24/2007 4:16:12 PM PDT by Porterville (I'm an American. If you hate Americans, I hope our enemies destroy you. I will pray for my soul.)
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To: knighthawk

Iran has no gays.

Now where is Andrew Sullivan to counter?

What about the San Fran Chronicle?

Where are the voices of gay outrage?

Let’s watch, wait and see...


31 posted on 09/24/2007 4:19:41 PM PDT by Enduring Freedom (There are NO gays in Iran)
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To: knighthawk

We should blockade Kharg Island, in retaliation for their overt and covert military actions against our troops in Iraq.

President Bush needs to unload at the UN all of the info about the Iranian-Syrain-North Korea nuke material and chemical SCUD missiles destroyed by the Isrealis on Sept 6th in their daring raid. He can make the speech after I-am- a-nut-job makes his speech this week at the UN.

A blockade will shut down gasoline imports to Iran, and prevent their oil exports from getting out.This will affect Europe, but hell, no pain, no gain, and they have been doing nothing on the WOT anyway. The lack of gas will put people over the top, and hopefully they can overthrow the mullahs or induce the army to have a coup. We can dangle the carrot of “You get the gas flowing again when you get rid of the mullahs”.

Iran is oil rich but refinery poor.

Then again, if this doesn’t have the desired effect, Round 2 is: take out the nuclear sites, generating stations, and military defensive systems. Tell the Iranians the bombing stops when the mullahs are deposed.

This is all five years too late. Enough is enough.

And I have the concession on the T-shirts that say in Farsi: “Don’t Nuke Me , Bro!”


32 posted on 09/24/2007 4:25:27 PM PDT by exit82 (Major General, Armchair Warriors USA)
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To: knighthawk

Air strikes are coming....the more weapons we find in Iraq...the sooner the strikes will be......we’ve ask them and they lie to us...we’ve got the hard evidence...proving what liars they are....


33 posted on 09/24/2007 4:28:34 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: knighthawk
This is a free bumper sticker design. Print it up, cut it out, laminate it, and put it on your car.


34 posted on 09/24/2007 4:30:06 PM PDT by conservativeimage
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To: Jim Noble; stephenjohnbanker
"About 60-70% wish they were in America......or at least, enjoyed our freedom." Jim, just a few words to add to this if you don't mind.

No sir, you are incorrect, figures like the ones you state are often given by those who are looking to to get their greedy palms on some of that 75 million dollars thrown at the Iranian "opposition".

Jim is correct, if these people really wanted America's style of freedom then you would see them rising up - the reality is that they don't.

The truth is that the majority of Iranians have been indoctrinated into believing that their system of government is superior to ours and there is a profound veracity in the logic used to support this argument - "God is infallible, Man isn't".

In the last several years many are starting to see America as the poster child of what is wrong with democracy - claiming that America's style of democracy is more of a 'free for all' rather than freedom.

For Iranians and many other muslims - the interest in America is more superficial - money and material possessions. In other words, no Iranian will refuse a green card - but he ain't coming to America for the reasons you hope he is.

One of the biggest objections of the Muslim world is homosexuality - often not discussed - but something that Muslims will never accept - I discussed this as a breaking point a few years back in my blog - and it got little attention. This is the line in the sand.

Looking through the MSM right now I find myself shocked that no one seems to have picked up what Ahmadinejad was actually saying concerning homosexuality - he said Iran doesn't have gays and then called it a phenomenon. There is a profoundness there not picked up. What Ahmadinejad said is essentially true - and I can assure you that the majority of Iranians agree with him.

If I were the US right now I would be damn careful at waving the rainbow flag around as a symbol for freedom.

I'll be blogging on this very subject later today...

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

35 posted on 09/24/2007 4:37:17 PM PDT by expatguy (Support Conservative Blogging - "An American Expat in Southeast Asia")
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To: exit82
President Bush needs to unload at the UN all of the info about the Iranian-Syrain-North Korea nuke material and chemical SCUD missiles destroyed by the Isrealis on Sept 6th in their daring raid. He can make the speech after I-am- a-nut-job makes his speech this week at the UN.

What on earth is the point of dignifying the so-called "United Nations" with the presence of the US President?

We should do what needs doing - and no more than that.

What difference does it make whether the den of robbers at Turtle Bay likes it, or not?

36 posted on 09/24/2007 4:46:25 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Trails of troubles, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.'s just a pretty fairy tale.)
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To: knighthawk

In 1981, the Israeli air force successfully crippled the Iraqi nuclear program with a daring daylight air raid on the key element of that program – the French-built Osirak reactor at At-Tuwaythah, just south of Baghdad. The Israelis traversed Saudi airspace avoiding Jordan when they attacked the Iraqi facility.

[Substitute: 2008 for 1981; & Iran for Iraq.]

The easiest route, entering Iran from Iraqi airspace would create a political firestorm. As it is, the use of Iraqi airspace will require the cooperation of the United States.


37 posted on 09/24/2007 5:06:21 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: expatguy

” In other words, no Iranian will refuse a green card - but he ain’t coming to America for the reasons you hope he is.”

Really? What reason do you think it is?


38 posted on 09/24/2007 5:12:59 PM PDT by nuconvert ("Terrorism is not the enemy. It is a means to the ends of militant Islamism." MZJ)
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To: knighthawk

My vote would involve something in .50 caliber.


39 posted on 09/24/2007 7:08:28 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: knighthawk

Lets stomp our feet and protest!


40 posted on 09/24/2007 7:09:12 PM PDT by dragnet2
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